I'm praying all soldiers injured in this horrible attack pull through. Are our Texan Paizonians doing alright?
I'm praying all soldiers injured in this horrible attack pull through. Are our Texan Paizonians doing alright?
Yep. I live about 15 miles away from where it happened. Needless to say the community here is in shock. It brings back memories of the Luby's shooting from the early 90's. It's hard to believe the man who did this is a doctor.
Latest article from the Times.
His motives are still unknown.
I'm praying all soldiers injured in this horrible attack pull through. Are our Texan Paizonians doing alright?Yep. I live about 15 miles away from where it happened. Needless to say the community here is in shock. It brings back memories of the Luby's shooting from the early 90's. It's hard to believe the man who did this is a doctor.
Glad to hear you're doing okay.
Glad to hear you're doing okay.I'm praying all soldiers injured in this horrible attack pull through. Are our Texan Paizonians doing alright?Yep. I live about 15 miles away from where it happened. Needless to say the community here is in shock. It brings back memories of the Luby's shooting from the early 90's. It's hard to believe the man who did this is a doctor.
Thanks! Now let's hope all of these people who were injured get well and can get their lives back in order.
I thought we weren't even sure if it was a terrorist attack or not yet?
If you mean 'attack from other country', then no, it was definitely our own soil attacking.
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Apparently the Muslim Psychologist could no longer cope with the racial taunts about him being muslim and just snapped. Just another victim of a horrid war who decided to take others with him.
-1. The suspect is still in a coma and on life support. The C.I.D has not had a chance to interview him so they don't know why he did it. The only reason for you to post something like this is to be s troll.
Military records indicated that Major Hasan was single, had been born in Virginia, had never served abroad and listed “no religious preference” on his personnel records. Three other soldiers, their roles unclear, were taken into custody in connection with the rampage.
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Apparently the Muslim Psychologist could no longer cope with the racial taunts about him being muslim and just snapped. Just another victim of a horrid war who decided to take others with him.-1. The suspect is still in a coma and on life support. The C.I.D has not had a chance to interview him so they don't know ahy he did it. The only reason for you to post something like this is to be s troll.
Hardly...They told us on Australian News that he had been subject to Racial Taunts before he went off. Apparently we have a reporter on site asking 'witnesses' to the Day's events.
Nothing Troll about getting a different version of the Facts than 'Muslim Terrorist infiltrates US Millitary and goes on killing spree'.
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Apparently the Muslim Psychologist could no longer cope with the racial taunts about him being muslim and just snapped. Just another victim of a horrid war who decided to take others with him.-1. The suspect is still in a coma and on life support. The C.I.D has not had a chance to interview him so they don't know ahy he did it. The only reason for you to post something like this is to be s troll.Hardly...They told us on Australian News that he had been subject to Racial Taunts before he went off. Appanrently we have a reporter on site asking 'witnesses'.
Nothing Troll about getting a different version of the Facts than 'Muslim Terrorist infiltrates US Millitary and goes on killing spree'.
One of my friends from my time in the service is one of the lead investigators on the case. Non-essential personel are not being allowed on base at this time. I don't know who these "witnesses" are but they have not been cleared to speak to the press. In fact, nobody has said that he was a terrorist. Based on his background, it actually seems unlikely that this was a terrorist incident.
Apparently the Muslim Psychologist could no longer cope with the racial taunts about him being muslim and just snapped. Just another victim of a horrid war who decided to take others with him.-1. The suspect is still in a coma and on life support. The C.I.D has not had a chance to interview him so they don't know ahy he did it. The only reason for you to post something like this is to be s troll.Hardly...They told us on Australian News that he had been subject to Racial Taunts before he went off. Apparently we have a reporter on site asking 'witnesses' to the Day's events.
Nothing Troll about getting a different version of the Facts than 'Muslim Terrorist infiltrates US Millitary and goes on killing spree'.
I'm with Dingo on this one. Calling him a troll is completely unjustified.
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One of my friends from my time in the service is one of the lead investigators on the case. Non-essential personel are not being allowed on base at this time. I don't know who these "witnesses" are but they have not been cleared to speak to the press. In fact, nobody has said that he was a terrorist. Based on his background, it actually seems unlikely that this was a terrorist incident.
...that you know who is lead investigator implies some leak though.
Someone is talking to the Australian reporters because we saw video footage of the fellow doing shopping at a 'Quickimart' in full traditional islamic robes earlier in the day...they dont get that kind of intel from the Investigation teams - even here.
Actually David - you might want to pass an email to your friend that the Australian Reporter seems to have a lot more info that is supposed to be made public.
It's pure speculation at this point.
Indeed. What I'm worried about is that people might try to label this as an Islamic attack regardless of the facts.
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I'm with Dingo on this one. Calling him a troll is completely unjustified.Apparently the Muslim Psychologist could no longer cope with the racial taunts about him being muslim and just snapped. Just another victim of a horrid war who decided to take others with him.-1. The suspect is still in a coma and on life support. The C.I.D has not had a chance to interview him so they don't know ahy he did it. The only reason for you to post something like this is to be s troll.Hardly...They told us on Australian News that he had been subject to Racial Taunts before he went off. Apparently we have a reporter on site asking 'witnesses' to the Day's events.
Nothing Troll about getting a different version of the Facts than 'Muslim Terrorist infiltrates US Millitary and goes on killing spree'.
It is when he is posting as fact something that cannot be confirmed. Therefore it is opinion, and based on his history of anti-American rhetoric, seems pretty trollish to me when so many people are in mourning.
It is when he is posting as fact something that cannot be confirmed. Therefore it is opinion, and based on his history of anti-American rhetoric, seems pretty trollish to me when so many people are in mourning.I'm with Dingo on this one. Calling him a troll is completely unjustified.Apparently the Muslim Psychologist could no longer cope with the racial taunts about him being muslim and just snapped. Just another victim of a horrid war who decided to take others with him.-1. The suspect is still in a coma and on life support. The C.I.D has not had a chance to interview him so they don't know ahy he did it. The only reason for you to post something like this is to be s troll.Hardly...They told us on Australian News that he had been subject to Racial Taunts before he went off. Apparently we have a reporter on site asking 'witnesses' to the Day's events.
Nothing Troll about getting a different version of the Facts than 'Muslim Terrorist infiltrates US Millitary and goes on killing spree'.
First of all, he posted it more as a theory. Second, arguing is 'trollish', too, when people are in mourning. This is a discussion thread. You chose to start debating with him. That's fine, but don't go insulting people just because they have a different opinion.
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Hey everyone.
Yeah, it's a pretty f-ed up day resulting from a REALLY f-ed up day. I took the day off because I had the available time and figured getting on post would be pretty insane.
We were on lock-down until about 7:10 Central Time last night. I didn't leave until around 9 or so because the traffic of 30,000+ people trying to get out the front gates was pretty gnarley. The investigation is still in the nacent stage, so we're basically digging in for the tale to unfold. All thoughts and prayers to those who were lost, and heartfelt wishes to those that were injured.
Yellowdingo, you mastery of the topic has me in awe, as usual.
/obviously no sarcasm, whatsoever//
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One of my friends from my time in the service is one of the lead investigators on the case. Non-essential personel are not being allowed on base at this time. I don't know who these "witnesses" are but they have not been cleared to speak to the press. In fact, nobody has said that he was a terrorist. Based on his background, it actually seems unlikely that this was a terrorist incident....that you know who is lead investigator implies some leak though.
Because I called him when I heard about the incident to make sure he was okay. Just as I am sure that you would do in a similar situation.
Someone is talking to the Australian reporters because we saw video footage of the fellow doing shopping at a 'Quickimart' in full traditional islamic robes earlier in the day...they dont get that kind of intel from the Investigation teams - even here.
That tape was released by the owner of the store to CNN. Because it was a civilian owned store, off base, the MPs have no juristiction unless they are granted access by local law enforcement. The only place they can leagaly go wthout clearing the red tape first is the major's off base apartment.
Actually David - you might want to pass an email to your friend that the Australian Reporter seems to have a lot more info that is supposed to be made public.
As indicated above, I did a search of Australin news sources. With the exception of interviews with the major's family, all information seems to have come through official channels. Again, since the major's fmily are civilians, the Army has no juristiction over them.
Hey everyone.
Yeah, it's a pretty f-ed up day resulting from a REALLY f-ed up day. I took the day off because I had the available time and figured getting on post would be pretty insane.
We were on lock-down until about 7:10 Central Time last night. I didn't leave until around 9 or so because the traffic of 30,000+ people trying to get out the front gates was pretty gnarley. The investigation is still in the nacent stage, so we're basically digging in for the tale to unfold. All thoughts and prayers to those who were lost, and heartfelt wishes to those that were injured.
Yellowdingo, you mastery of the topic has me in awe, as usual.
/obviously no sarcasm, whatsoever//
What. Yellowdingo put up a theory based on evidence he obtained. Like saying 'looks like Osama has struck' or something after 9/11. David Fryer called him a troll for it. It seems pretty simple to me.
Hey everyone.
Yeah, it's a pretty f-ed up day resulting from a REALLY f-ed up day. I took the day off because I had the available time and figured getting on post would be pretty insane.
We were on lock-down until about 7:10 Central Time last night. I didn't leave until around 9 or so because the traffic of 30,000+ people trying to get out the front gates was pretty gnarley. The investigation is still in the nacent stage, so we're basically digging in for the tale to unfold. All thoughts and prayers to those who were lost, and heartfelt wishes to those that were injured.
Yellowdingo, you mastery of the topic has me in awe, as usual.
/obviously no sarcasm, whatsoever//
Glad to know you're alright.
Emotions are a little high right now, and perhaps some people deal with the stress by reaching for the tinfoil hat. Let's cool off a bit collectively, send prayers where necessary, and have a general freak out later on once we know more.
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They still might want to grab any evidence before it surfaces in the Media...
apparently they have decided his blog on why he isnt keen on going to Iraq is 'Radical'.
channel 9 +3hours from last link
I dont have broadband so I cant tell you if the video footage is the one they showed us at 11pm Aust time.
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Saw it on the Yahoo headlines as I was getting dressed for work this morning. Waited to IM my wife until I got to work, since I knew she wouldn't be on that side of post. All it did to her was make her miss her class that afternoon.
I have to say I'm utterly disgusted by it, no matter what truth comes to light about it. If he was having problems, he had plenty more options to deal with it than this one. It feels quite chilling having been at that building not a few months ago, and about to be going back there next month after my return trip. I have to wonder if we'll still keep using the facility or not. Shifting operations elsewhere is going to cause a lot of clerical issues and lost time.
Overall it is a damn sad state of affairs.
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This is a discussion thread. You chose to start debating with him. That's fine, but don't go insulting people just because they have a different opinion.
I won't argue over anyones opinion. But when they present their opinion as the absolute undeniable reason that this horrific loss of life happened, based on no evidence what so ever, that is where I take issue. Just for the official record, I would have argued just as forcefully with someone who jumped on and said he was a terrorist. If I had to guess I would say that he crackd under the presure of being a mental health worker. I have worked in the mental health profession up until my layoff in August and I can attest that mental health professionals have breakdowns all the time, mostly because thy are too proud to seek help. That combined with the stress of being about to be deployed to Afghanistan, which he did not want to go to, could have easily caused him to snap under the presure. This could easily be a horrible case of attempted suicide by cop. I would just ask everyone to stop and think would you be calling Major Hasan a terrorist, or claiming he was a victim of racial discrimination if he had been a white Baptist named Smith?
This is a discussion thread. You chose to start debating with him. That's fine, but don't go insulting people just because they have a different opinion.I won't argue over anyones opinion. But when the present their opinion as the absolute undeniable reason that this horrific loss of life happened, based on no evidence what so ever, that is where I take issue. Just for the official record, I would have argued just as forcefully with someone who jumped on and said he was a terrorist. If I had to guess I would say that he crackd under the presure of being a mental health worker. I have worked in the mentl health profession up until my layoff in August and I can attest that mental health professionals have breakdowns all the time, mostly because thy are too proud to seek help. That combined with the stress of being about to be deployed to Afghanistan, which he did not want to go to, could have easily caused him to nap under the presure. This could easily be a horrible case of attempted suicide by cop. I would just ask everyone to stop and think would you be calling major Hasan a terrorist, or claiming he was a victim of racial discrimination of he had been a white Baptist named Smith?
+1.
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This is a discussion thread. You chose to start debating with him. That's fine, but don't go insulting people just because they have a different opinion.I won't argue over anyones opinion. But when the present their opinion as the absolute undeniable reason that this horrific loss of life happened, based on no evidence what so ever, that is where I take issue. Just for the official record, I would have argued just as forcefully with someone who jumped on and said he was a terrorist. If I had to guess I would say that he crackd under the presure of being a mental health worker. I have worked in the mentl health profession up until my layoff in August and I can attest that mental health professionals have breakdowns all the time, mostly because thy are too proud to seek help. That combined with the stress of being about to be deployed to Afghanistan, which he did not want to go to, could have easily caused him to nap under the presure. This could easily be a horrible case of attempted suicide by cop. I would just ask everyone to stop and think would you be calling major Hasan a terrorist, or claiming he was a victim of racial discrimination of he had been a white Baptist named Smith?
If 'Smith' was racially abused vilified for his religion beforehand - I would suggest it might be a contributing factor in his psychological meltdown.
As with the guy who did go nuts - He was oppoesed to being redeployed to a Warzone, has been taunted for his life choices, and placed in a situation where this was his only way out psychologically. Once you are in that frame of mind, you are extreemly vulnerable to a psychological trigger.
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Apparently the Muslim Psychologist could no longer cope with the racial taunts about him being muslim and just snapped. Just another victim of a horrid war who decided to take others with him.-1. The suspect is still in a coma and on life support. The C.I.D has not had a chance to interview him so they don't know ahy he did it. The only reason for you to post something like this is to be s troll.Hardly...They told us on Australian News that he had been subject to Racial Taunts before he went off. Apparently we have a reporter on site asking 'witnesses' to the Day's events.
Nothing Troll about getting a different version of the Facts than 'Muslim Terrorist infiltrates US Millitary and goes on killing spree'.
They told us on american news that the columbine shootings were a result of obsession over violent videogames. It's speculation, and actually, having just read the australian reports on the incident, not even his family mentioned anything about him being taunted for his heritage, in fact it seems more like his biggest fear was being sent to iraq because of all the horror stories he heard about it from soldiers he treated, after they refused to honor his multiple requests not to be sent there it sounds like he just snapped and decided to make them pay. this is also 100% speculation based off of what I've read of family interviews. Tragic.
My wife called the wife of a friend based out of Fort Hood. She joked saying, "He is safe - he is in Afghanistan."
I apologize if my attempt at humor insults anyone. It is certainly not meant that way. One of the coping mechanisms I learned while I was in the military was humor.
My thoughts do go out to the families.
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actually what is written in that blog (whether his or not) is true in my opinion. I think there is a parallel to suicide bombers and Kamikaze pilots and the mindframe of someone who would throw themselves on a grenade to save others. I think the difference that makes a suicide bomber a despicable retch of a human being is their willingness to kill indiscriminately rather than targeted. A bomber bombing a soldier is just fighting a war, a bomber bombing a citizen in the streets who's only crime is being in the road near the soldier is a jackass. While I don't agree with suicide bombers, if they only targeted military personel and military instillations taking care not to harm non-military installations or civillians I'd have a lot less of disgust and disrespect for them. While not a good way to wage war, it is nonetheless waging war. So I don't think anything written in that blog is terribly condeming because he's hypothesizing on the mindset of the bomber, not condoning the bombing itself.
Prayers for you and those around you, Gavgoyle.
Yahoo News article claims he was giving away his possesions over the last several days. So almost certainly some fore thought went into this, unconfirmed reprots claim he shouted "Allahu Akbar!" prior to opening fire.
Possibly 'suicide by cop', possibly religion inspired 'terrorist attack', could be the guy was just fed up with the s@!*. Whatever, it was certainly premeditated to some degree.
I think there is a parallel to suicide bombers and Kamikaze pilots and the mindframe of someone who would throw themselves on a grenade to save others.
So, someone willing to sacrifice himself in order to save those aroud him has the same mindframe as someone who get's close to his target through deception in order to blow them up with no chance to defend themselves?
Mmmm no, that doesn't work for me.
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I think there is a parallel to suicide bombers and Kamikaze pilots and the mindframe of someone who would throw themselves on a grenade to save others.So, someone willing to sacrifice himself in order to save those aroud him has the same mindframe as someone who get's close to his target through deception in order to blow them up with no chance to defend themselves?
Mmmm no, that doesn't work for me.
I'm not saying the morals/honor are the same, but two people can have the same base idea and come to horribly different conclusions. I think there is honor in throwing yourself on a grenade to save others, and it's much more direct to the lives you save. The mindset of the suicide bomber is much more abstract, I do this now to save my culture and our ideals. And it's abhorent, and not correct, in fact I believe they directly threaten their culture and ideas by doing what they do, but they aren't doing it because their thought process is "I don't want to live anymore". That doesn't change the fact that they do it to save something they believe in. They just do it in the stupidest, most ass backwards hamrful for their cause way possible.
Anyways this is way off topic so I'm not going to discuss it any more in this thread. If you want to talk further I'll join you if you make a different thread.
Awwwww .... poor wittle guy all upset because someone might have called him a bad name while he's making a quarter million a year as a major? I feel soooooo sorry for him -- not. I'm a white male Christian, and I've been insulted on the basis of all three quite a few times in my life, sometimes in the most vile terms possible, and I've never even thought of going on a rampage. I'm sure everyone else here has been insulted in some way or another, also, and they haven't used it as an excuse for this type of barbarity.
And because he might be deployed? Awwwww again .... it's simple, Hasan -- if you don't want to be deployed to a war zone, don't join the Army. So he might be upset because he wanted to sit there raking in a quarter million doing nothing, and was in a big snit because he might have to actually go to a war zone (not fight -- he'd be back at headquarters anyway) like he agreed when he signed up?
No sympathy for him whatsoever. Plenty of thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families.
Don't worry, I'm not shedding any tears over his possible death, except that the victims' families might never know why he killed them, and I'm pretty sure it won't make much difference.
Condolences from across the pond to all the victims and their families - was lucky enough to spend some time in Texas 5 years ago... got to know some of the service guys - good people. Thoughts and prayers to them all.
Allow me to express the condolences of us in the great white north to the victims and their friends and families on this horrible incident.
if/when he comes out of his coma, i expect there will be some very "interesting" conversations during his questioning - however, as an outsier, looking in and seeing the news, it doesn't seem to fit the "profile" of a terrorist attack (no setting affairs in order, no message to loved ones, no message explaining why), but does seem closer to some kind of "psychotic break", spree-killing or "running amok"
I don't know about the US, but in the UK serving service people, while offered counciling and the like face a huge unofficial pressure not to take advantage of it, and it does lead to real problems. I've never worked with an offence at this level, but i've dealt with, at court, countless violent (and a handful of sexual) criminal offences committed by people just before, or just after, a tour of duty
as a sad asside, i worry how this will impact on other serving muslim soldiers across the west - you do hear stories about the racism they face, and this incident could make the situation worse
Indeed.
But he did plan this, to some extent: He gave away some of his possessions to loved ones before it happened, I think.
if/when he comes out of his coma, i expect there will be some very "interesting" conversations during his questioning - however, as an outsier, looking in and seeing the news, it doesn't seem to fit the "profile" of a terrorist attack (no setting affairs in order, no message to loved ones, no message explaining why), but does seem closer to some kind of "psychotic break", spree-killing or "running amok"
I don't know about the US, but in the UK serving service people, while offered counciling and the like face a huge unofficial pressure not to take advantage of it, and it does lead to real problems. I've never worked with an offence at this level, but i've dealt with, at court, countless violent (and a handful of sexual) criminal offences committed by people just before, or just after, a tour of duty
as a sad asside, i worry how this will impact on other serving muslim soldiers across the west - you do hear stories about the racism they face, and this incident could make the situation worse
Indeed.
But he did plan this, to some extent: He gave away some of his possessions to loved ones before it happened, I think.
Or maybe he was just down-sizing since it was likely he was going to be shipped off soon.
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Thats just retarded thinking...I'd give my stuff to my relatives if I was being shipped off to a Afghanistan for a four year killfest.
Hell, Id have all my D&D photocopied, and PDF novels printed and bound as books so I could take 'duplicates' with me and leave the real thing at home with family...
And now that he has awoken from his coma let the truth be extracted...before it all goes to poop because some Journalist wants this to be an act of Terrorism.