I came up with a system for adding together your caster level so you're not totally hosed if you multiclassed into Cleric, Wizard and Sorcerer. Right now, it only works for the Monte Cook Arcana Unearthed system, but I'm working on making it so that you can use it for Pathfinder.
You can read about it here.
http://www.prestonpoulter.com/2009/10/a-more-unified-magic-system-for-arcan a-unearthed/
You know, a lot of people think that you should be less effective when you dabble to that degree. Just saying.
Also I get a 404 error when I try to goto that link.
Morgen wrote: You know, a lot of people think that you should be less effective when you dabble to that degree. Just saying.
Also I get a 404 error when I try to goto that link.
Remove the space from the URL, or click this link.
A Man In Black wrote: Morgen wrote: You know, a lot of people think that you should be less effective when you dabble to that degree. Just saying.
Also I get a 404 error when I try to goto that link.
Remove the space from the URL, or click this link. Someone's going to have to show me how to post links, because I never get it right.
It's a purely subjective choice as to how heavily to penalize spell casters for dabbling in other spell casting classes. Personally it doesn't make any good sense to me that a Bard would learn hardly any new magic by taking two levels in Wizard, but that's me. You can make a argument that that's how it should be, but the current system so heavily penalizes the dabblers that I've never seen anyone do it.
The second thing my system addresses is that secondary casters actually have a lower caster level than do primary casters. So if a 10th level bard goes to dispel magic on a primary caster, he's at caster level seven instead of the full ten.
Again, this makes sense to me, which is why i made it. If people feel that the current magic progression system makes more sense, that's their prerogative. However, I think this system can provide an exciting alternative choice.
Preston Poulter wrote: Someone's going to have to show me how to post links, because I never get it right. Just hit reply and read the quoted text, the full URL tag markup is in it.
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I have been working on a new feat to help address this issue.
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Arcane/Divine Study
You have put additional work into improving your knowledge of spell casting
Prerequisite: The Ability to cast spells
Benefit: When you take this feat pick a class of spell casting. When memorizing and casting spells of that class you are considered one level higher. This feat may be taken multiple times.
Special: This feat may not increase your spell casting ability higher than your total character level. You may not take this feat more times than you have natural spell casting in that class.
Example:
A Fighter 3/ Cleric 2 may take this feat only 2 times.
A Rogue 3 / Wizard 10 may take this feat 3 times.
A Fighter 6 / Sorcerer 1 / Arcane archer 10 is considered to have 8 caster levels in sorcerer and can take the feat 8 times.
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This burns through feats at a crazy rate but it allows a multi-class spell caster to play catch-up.
dulsin wrote: I have been working on a new feat to help address this issue.
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Arcane/Divine Study
You have put additional work into improving your knowledge of spell casting
Prerequisite: The Ability to cast spells
Benefit: When you take this feat pick a class of spell casting. When memorizing and casting spells of that class you are considered one level higher. This feat may be taken multiple times.
Special: This feat may not increase your spell casting ability higher than your total character level. You may not take this feat more times than you have natural spell casting in that class.
Example:
A Fighter 3/ Cleric 2 may take this feat only 2 times.
A Rogue 3 / Wizard 10 may take this feat 3 times.
A Fighter 6 / Sorcerer 1 / Arcane archer 10 is considered to have 8 caster levels in sorcerer and can take the feat 8 times.
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This burns through feats at a crazy rate but it allows a multi-class spell caster to play catch-up.
Woah... that's a pretty cool idea.
Deffinitely going to consider stealing this for my campaigns.
Preston Poulter wrote: So if a 10th level bard goes to dispel magic on a primary caster, he's at caster level seven instead of the full ten. That's not true at all, bard's have full caster level progression slower spell progression true, but love caster level progression.
The only classes that have the caster level -3 addendum are the paladin and ranger. That's becuase they can't cast spells til 4th level.
vagrant-poet wrote: Preston Poulter wrote: So if a 10th level bard goes to dispel magic on a primary caster, he's at caster level seven instead of the full ten. That's not true at all, bard's have full caster level progression slower spell progression true, but love caster level progression.
The only classes that have the caster level -3 addendum are the paladin and ranger. That's becuase they can't cast spells til 4th level. It was true in the homebrew I proposed. Not the Pathfinder rules.
Why nerf the bard, on of the best increases to him was to make his spells a little better!
vagrant-poet wrote: Why nerf the bard, on of the best increases to him was to make his spells a little better! It doesn't make sense to me that a secondary caster should have an effective spell level as high as a primary caster.
Their not a secondary caster though, its an important part of there class, they get less spells and spell levels because they have many other abilities, but their not a secondary caster.
A paladin or ranger is, their spells are minor buffs or utility, but not core to the class or its battle capability, hell many rangers don't even use their spells, and they don't get them at first level because its not a keystone of the class.
Spellcasting for bards is. Its weaker, but its still full casting, and nerfing it for that reason is just harming the bard unnecesarily in combat, which is not their greatest arena, which is why people call them weak, so that ruling just exasperates their perceived weakness!
The way I'm defining the system, they are secondary casters. Paladins and rangers are a step below them, so I suppose I'd characterize them as tertiary casters. The Bard is the only secondary caster in the Pathfinder book, however, Arcana Unearthed has several.
On the upside, the Bard gains access to a whole new level of spells (level 7) at higher levels.
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