Need some help with EL with creatures of different CR

[vikking]

I have created a creature for my group to fight and have ran into a problem.
The creatures I created is a CR 9 and by the time the party gets to them, they should be around 23rd level so Im throwing 6 of them at them with one being a CR 24 do to it being a Paragon. What would the affective EL be and if to high for 7 players of 23rd plus level, how should I change it.
so i have 5 CR 9 and 1 CR 24= ? EL
Any suggestions?

[vikking]

any one?

[Lathiira]

vikking wrote:

I have created a creature for my group to fight and have ran into a problem.

The creatures I created is a CR 9 and by the time the party gets to them, they should be around 23rd level so Im throwing 6 of them at them with one being a CR 24 do to it being a Paragon. What would the affective EL be and if to high for 7 players of 23rd plus level, how should I change it.
so i have 5 CR 9 and 1 CR 24= ? EL
Any suggestions?

It's still 24. The CR 9 critters aren't going to adjust things any, RAW. Six of them together are worth a total of CR 14 by the Pathfinder rules. By 3.5 as well.

2 CR 9 critters equal an 11
2 CR 11 critters are a 13
CR 13 plus CR 11 equals a 14

That CR 14 is supposedly meaningless at this point.

The 5 CR 9 version will be worth even less. Your epic party should be able to pretty much ignore them until they stop the paragon critter. Even if the critter has a save or die effect, I'd imagine your party could annihilate all 5 of the CR 9 monsters pretty quick.

[Rezdave]

vikking wrote:

The creatures I created is a CR 9 and ... Im throwing 6 of them at them with one being a CR 24

As I read this, it is:

CR 9 Opponents = 5

CR 24 Opponents = 1

Total EL = 24.08

The difference is negligible. Frankly, a CR 24 creature should be able to summon XP-less minions that are much more powerful.

In fact, 50 CR 9s only raise the EL to 24.70 so again their impact is negligible. It takes 128 CR9 opponents to make an EL 23 encounter, FWIW.

IMHO, anything less than 150 of your CR 9 monsters against the party is a waste of time.

Rez

[vikking]

thanks, I wasnt sure 100% but one of the players in my group is also a DM and he said the EL should be higher do to the 5 lower level creatures. i didnt think he was right but i figured i would ask hear just to make sure.

thanks again, you guys helped.