I have a number of products that mention the drow (the rulebook, the main setting book, and Into the Darklands come to mind), but unless I'm just missing it, they never receive any statistical treatment.
Are Drow's stats the same in Golarion as in mainstream 3.0/3.5? Are they going to be in the bestiary?
I have some other thoughts on the Drow in Golarion, but I'll save that for another post. It's disappointing to me that the rather mediocre and illogical treatment of dark elves in Faerun carried over to Golarion. Maybe some day, some setting will discard the notion that drow are border-line insane and can't form stable political entities.
I have a number of products the mention the drow (the rulebook, the main setting book, and Into the Darklands come to mind), but unless I'm just missing it, they never receive any statistical treatment.
Are Drow the same in Golarion as in mainstream 3.0/3.5? Are they going to be in the bestiary?
I have some other thoughts on the Drow in Golarion, but I'll save that for another post. It's disappointing to me that the rather mediocre and illogical treatment of dark elves in Faerun carried over to Golarion.
Drow were one of the main bad guys of the...
I have a number of products that mention the drow (the rulebook, the main setting book, and Into the Darklands come to mind), but unless I'm just missing it, they never receive any statistical treatment.
Are Drow's stats the same in Golarion as in mainstream 3.0/3.5? Are they going to be in the bestiary?
They did not get a separate statistical treatment because they already have one, in the very core rules!
They are in the 3e monster manuals and in the SRD, and they will be in the Bestiary, too. Not much more needed than that.
It's disappointing to me that the rather mediocre and illogical treatment of dark elves in Faerun carried over to Golarion.
Huh? Golarion's drow have virtually none of the Forgotten Realms specific drow traits, or many of the newer notions:
They're pretty much back to the roots: Absolute villains! Demon-worshipping incarnations of malice.
They do have new and fresh ideas, though. Their creation (especially the implications and continued effects) hasn't been like that before, at least not as far as I know.
Maybe some day, some setting will discard the notion that drow are border-line insane and can't form stable political entities.
Nope. Never. Drow are evil demon-worshippers warped by the Rough Beast's destructive power as well as the strange effects of the Darklands. If you equal that to border-line insane and incapable of forming stable political entities, than I suppose it's true.
On the other hand, the fact that those big drow houses have been around for quite some time seems to indicate that they can, in fact, create social and political structures that endure.
And I wouldn't call them all border-line insane, either. Some are beyond the border of course, and they have a mindset that is not like your average human's, but that doesn't make them insane.
You're right about the details of the Drow differing from Faerun, but at their core the Drow are still the same CE, matriarchal, unstable society they have always been.
If someone was going to go in a different direction with them, I thought it might be Paizo, but oh well.
I don't use the Drow for much anyway.
And are you sure the Drow are the same as in 3.0/3.5?
The reason I ask is that it seems to me every race in the core Pathfinder book received a boost. But I guess Drow are not going to.
You're right about the details of the Drow differing from Faerun, but at their core the Drow are still the same CE, matriarchal, unstable society they have always been.
But if they aren't CE & matriarchal, are they really drow? Or just purple-skinned elves with white hair? Imo, there's a limited range to what you can change about a race and still have it be recognizable.
And are you sure the Drow are the same as in 3.0/3.5?
The reason I ask is that it seems to me every race in the core Pathfinder book received a boost. But I guess Drow are not going to.
Well, drow aren't really designed to be a playable race (though people will always play them). I believe I read that they're actually being toned down a bit though to avoid LA for PCs: losing some of the racial abilities for a "commoner" class (read PCs) versus a "noble" class which keeps all the darkness/faerie fire/etc. I don't know if that's official yet though. We'll probably have to wait for the Bestiary to see.
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You're right about the details of the Drow differing from Faerun, but at their core the Drow are still the same CE, matriarchal, unstable society they have always been.
If someone was going to go in a different direction with them, I thought it might be Paizo, but oh well.
I don't use the Drow for much anyway.
And are you sure the Drow are the same as in 3.0/3.5?
The reason I ask is that it seems to me every race in the core Pathfinder book received a boost. But I guess Drow are not going to.
Drow in Golarion are elves that came in contact with Rovagug. They are an embodiment of the destroyer of Golarion. It would only make sense that they are destructive to all around them. At least its better than "Well, the mother of our race is into spiders so we're just going to be into spiders because all the powerful people are!"
They worship the Demon Lords in general, not one in specific. Since it is not a monotheistic culture anymore, it opens up some of the closed nature of the Drow Society, as you aren't beaten within an inch of your life when you're seen as a cultist of that god of teenage angst.
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Drow are drow. Some of the things that make them drow are the facts that they're chaotic evil demon worshipers, matriarchal, and basically have the stats they do in 3.5's SRD. There's no reason at all for us to rebuild the drow with new stats or with a totally redesigned niche in the game, since then they wouldn't be drow. At which point we'd make up our own name for whatever we ended up with. We did the same thing with goblins; no changes to their niche in the world or their stats, but new flavor and minor tweeks. The Second Darkness adventure path and Into the Darklands, I feel, do a LOT to make the drow of Golarion uniquely "Golarion" in feel wihtout making them into something they're not. If you haven't read through Second Darkness, or at the least "Into the Darklands," you don't really get a good sense of what the drow are in Golarion.
If you grow up on Faerun or Oerth and come to Golarion, you should recognize the goblins as goblins, the dragons as dragons, and the drow as drow.
They WILL be in the Bestiary, though. They're not in the core RPG Rulebook because they're not a core race. They're better suited to be NPCs or monsters.
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Rovagug is a nine-legged spider...ish thing...
So who says they're not into spiders anymore? :)
I love the Rovagug angle... (although I've just been spoiled as I am a player in a local SD campaign and we're barely into Chapter 3... :P )
Well... while it was proximity to Rovagug that created the drow, the drow themselves actually are sort of ashamed of this and those who worship Rovagug are often thought of as the bad ones among drow. Sort of the serial killers of serial killers. The drow themselves are all about demon worship (one of whom is a spidery demon, of coruse).
As for spoilers... no worries! The Rovagug-drow connection really doesn't play a part at all in Second Darkness so you're good! There's plenty of OTHER big spoilers there that I won't get into though.
James jacob, where does it say that drow are elves that were warped by coming incontact with rovagog?
I'm always disappointed that evil elves are depicted as Drow. There's too much potential for dark elves to always be pigeon-holed into the drow stereotype.
I've had many debates on this on the old Wizards forums (the Drow, as often written, are too chaotic and unstable to possibly form any kind of civilization), and I see no need to rehash that now.
Just once I'd like to run across a setting with at least one Drow empire instead of a bunch of city-states that read like insane asylum write-ups.
All that being said, the sections on the Drow in Into the Darklands are well-written.
Just once I'd like to run across a setting with at least one Drow empire instead of a bunch of city-states that read like insane asylum write-ups.Eberron?
Definitely, I love the Eberron Drow...in some ways, they are justified in their actions...protecting the ruins of their ancestors, hating the other elves who abandoned thier bretherin to slavery, etc.
And they're evil too...
Drow. Rhymes with "bow."
Drow. Rhymes with "bow."
Bow or bow?
One is used for formal occasions, the other used as a form of ranged weapon or possibly to play a violin.
I tend to have drow rhyme with the "bow" used in formal occasions.
After all, if it rhymes with the ranged weapon, they'd sound a lot like derro, which are a different subterranean race entirely.
Check out the Shadow Elves of Mystara.
Underground? Check.
Opposed to surface dwellers, especially elves? Check.
Every other bit that defines Drow? No check.
Not evil, not chaotic, they just have a very different view of history than the upperworlders. One that unfortunately has led them to make some bad decisions.
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On the risk of getting hit, I'd like to point what Chris Metzen did with dark-skinned elves and light skinned elves in his universe, Warcraft.
The Blood Elves are light-skinned, evil, demon-worshipping elves.
The Night Elves are dark-skinned, good to borderline neutral, druidic, nature-worshiping elves.
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Communing with evil outsiders isn't evil? So I guess a paladin then that consorted with a pit fiend, would be ok?The Blood Elves are light-skinned, evil, demon-worshipping elves.Driven, power hungry? Yeah. Evil? Nah, not by D&D standards.
Wow, no more evil than all the gnomes and humans on the alliance who are Warlocks...
The blood elves started out as high elves. A magically advanced race who unfortunately became addicted to magic over time. When the Scourge invaded their homeland and destroyed the font of their power and wiped out most of them, the survivors went into withdrawal. They started exploring other avenues one of which was binding demons. This was exacerbated by a corrupt leader. Since then, they've cast out this prince and have sided with the angelic Naaru in an effort to get back on track. If you look at it, there's plenty of gray on both sides of the Alliance/Horde thing.
Drow. Rhymes with "bow."That's cruel, picking a word with two pronounciations... :)
'How now brown Drow,' is how I pronounce it.
Same, ryhmes with cow!
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Wow, no more evil than all the gnomes and humans on the alliance who are Warlocks...
The blood elves started out as high elves. A magically advanced race who unfortunately became addicted to magic over time. When the Scourge invaded their homeland and destroyed the font of their power and wiped out most of them, the survivors went into withdrawal. They started exploring other avenues one of which was binding demons. This was exacerbated by a corrupt leader. Since then, they've cast out this prince and have sided with the angelic Naaru in an effort to get back on track. If you look at it, there's plenty of gray on both sides of the Alliance/Horde thing.
Yes, but the original intent was to point out a different take on light-skinned and dark-skinned elves, not discuss WoW-Lore.
You're right about the details of the Drow differing from Faerun, but at their core the Drow are still the same CE, matriarchal, unstable society they have always been.
Yeah, they're still drow.
That's what being drow means: being drow. That means more than having the name "drow".
Of course, they can turn them into blue elves that run around in the forest, but then they're wow-clone night elves.
They could also turn them into jungle-dwelling scorpion commandos, but then they wouldn't be fit for The Best of All Possible Worlds, it would be for EXTREEAM DEE ENN DEE.
Or they could create, say, a furry half-hamster race they just call drow, but then they wouldn't be fit for the spirital successor to The Oldest Roleplaying Game, but for some mislabelled wargame.
If someone was going to go in a different direction with them, I thought it might be Paizo
Actually, they are the least likely to change the drow, because they respect the game.
And are you sure the Drow are the same as in 3.0/3.5?
Never said they are. I said there are no drow stats in the books we have seen so far because none of them were books for putting drow stats in. Second Darkness is 3.5e, so it uses 3.5e drow stats.
The reason I ask is that it seems to me every race in the core Pathfinder book received a boost. But I guess Drow are not going to.
First: Drow aren't a 3e core race. So they don't get PF core book treatment.
Second: They belong to the monster book. The monster book isn't out yet. They will be in the monster book.
They might get a boost there, if they think that they need one.
Or they might get no boost. They're already more powerful than regular characters, with an extra +2 on an ability score and spell resistance.
And level adjustment doesn't exist any more, so the GM decides how much they cost extra - if he decides that drow are playable.
I'm always disappointed that evil elves are depicted as Drow.
Well, drow are evil elves. So when you depict a drow, you depict an evil elf as a drow.
There's too much potential for dark elves to always be pigeon-holed into the drow stereotype.
There are evil elves on Golarion. Non-drow evil elves.
There are dark-skinned elves on Golarion. Non-drow dark-sinned elves.
And there are drow on Golarion. Well, under. And they are drow.
I've had many debates on this on the old Wizards forums (the Drow, as often written, are too chaotic and unstable to possibly form any kind of civilization), and I see no need to rehash that now.
And yet they did it. Whether in Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms or Pathfinder Chronicles, they have drow civilisations.
Just once I'd like to run across a setting with at least one Drow empire instead of a bunch of city-states that read like insane asylum write-ups.
Ancient Forgotten Realms.
Is there a finder's fee?
Well... while it was proximity to Rovagug that created the drow, the drow themselves actually are sort of ashamed of this and those who worship Rovagug are often thought of as the bad ones among drow. Sort of the serial killers of serial killers. The drow themselves are all about demon worship (one of whom is a spidery demon, of coruse).
"You can serve the demon lord who wants to rape everyone, you can poison your entire family, and you can eat fresh fried kobold three times a day -- but worship just one alien monster god who wants to destroy the world, and all of a sudden you're a bad guy!"
-- doubtless said by a drow cultist of Rovagug as he's being dragged off for execution on orders the House Matriarch.
really, though, I love the Golarion take on the drow. Especially the whole demon worship thing. It reall brings back the old days before Drizt Do'Urden...
WoW elves are too wannabe-goth for me.
"Wooo, I'm a NIGHT elf!"
"And I'm a BLOOD elf!"
What's next? Corset elves? Corpse paint elves? Lace elves?
"You can serve the demon lord who wants to rape everyone, you can poison your entire family, and you can eat fresh fried kobold three times a day -- but worship just one alien monster god who wants to destroy the world, and all of a sudden you're a bad guy!"
Well, duh!
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really, though, I love the Golarion take on the drow. Especially the whole demon worship thing. It really brings back the old days...
I vaguely recall that back in the original presentation of the Drow, it was assumed that other Drow worshipped other Demon Lords, and that Lolth was just big stuff in Erelhei-Cinlu. (And even there, some of the prominent locals were playing the field...)
I would have loved to see official takes on Drow devoted to Demogorgon, Kotschtchie, Yeenoghu, Baphomet and Graz'zt. (I had my own versions, but it would have been neat to see other takes on that sort of thing.)
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Yes, but the original intent was to point out a different take on light-skinned and dark-skinned elves, not discuss WoW-Lore.Wow, no more evil than all the gnomes and humans on the alliance who are Warlocks...
The blood elves started out as high elves. A magically advanced race who unfortunately became addicted to magic over time. When the Scourge invaded their homeland and destroyed the font of their power and wiped out most of them, the survivors went into withdrawal. They started exploring other avenues one of which was binding demons. This was exacerbated by a corrupt leader. Since then, they've cast out this prince and have sided with the angelic Naaru in an effort to get back on track. If you look at it, there's plenty of gray on both sides of the Alliance/Horde thing.
Perhaps... but the fact that Warcraft does with dark-skinned elves exactly what you wanted to be done with the drow is worth mentioning anyway.
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Now that's something you need to elaborate on Set.
Here's what was sitting on my desktop, spoilered for the convenience of those who don't want to be spammed;
Baphomet – all female Drow cult, the ‘Mothers’ have interbred with Minotaur males for many generations, and give birth to Drow females, Minotaur males and, rarely, Drow males that are treated as slaves or destroyed at birth. Over centuries, the female Drow children have begun to show aspects of Minotaur heritage (increased Constitution and an increasingly ‘Tiefling’ appearance, including vestigial horns, furred forearms and lower legs, and, rarely, hooves instead of feet). Their Minotaur sons have also grown darker in coloration, and often have red eyes and a surprising cunning, but otherwise are typical for their race, despite their parentage. ‘Mothers’ spend most of their lives pregnant, willingly, and are considered to rule their extended families, with each ‘warrior-son’ or daughter of breeding age adding to their powerbase. (Naturally, daughters of breeding age don’t relish being sub-ordinate to their own mother, and begin grooming their own warrior-sons for the day when they become the new ‘Mother.’) Most recently, some Drow females have begun producing male children that have aspects of both Drow and Minotaur, being even more like Tieflings (of greater Strength than Dexterity), and have chosen to allow these children to live, their status uncertain and teetering on a razor’s edge, until they prove themselves...
Demogorgon – dwelling in jungles and swamps, the Drow in service to Demogorgon are savages and bestial. Preferring weapons that can be used to capture prey, such as nets, snares and whips, these savages prefer to bring captives back to their communities, where they hold bloody celebrations, which the prisoners would not survive, even if they were not promptly eaten at the end of the ‘festivities.’ From an early age, these Drow file their teeth, and love nothing more than to end a prisoner’s life with a vicious bite attack.
Drow in service to Demogorgon are most commonly Barbarians, but Adepts, Sorcerers, Druids and Rangers are also common paths taken, with every community having one Bard, who serves as storyteller and shaman, setting new and bloodier goals for the faithful. With mud and blood-caked dreadlocks decorated with feathers, fangs and other body parts taken from local wildlife, the shaman exhorts his followers into greater acts of excess, until the entire tribe collapses in exhaustion, bellies full with the flesh of their prisoners.
Drow children raised in such an environment are driven away from their mothers soon after learning how to walk, and are a constant menace, even to unwary adults, as they band together and take whatever they can to survive. Exactly how they are recognized as adults is unclear, but at a certain point they begin to move among the adults, usually after some display of force or naked aggression that garners a grim form of respect among their peers. Male and female Drow in these communities appear to be equal in physical capabilities, and they do not have any difference in status, despite their otherwise predatory nature. A female is as likely as a male to viciously assault another Drow, and the males of these tribes who do not regard a female as being an equal threat are unlikely to survive to maturity.
The communities of these Demogorgon-worshipping Drow are either built in underground warrens or ancient stone ruins (for those living in the jungles) or stilt communities, floating barges or homes constructed high in the trees (for those living in swamps). The jungle-dwellers always are accompanied by baboons, who are considered sacred animals, and not to be slain (although they are not treated well, by any means, and often are driven off or tormented with beatings). Warriors often paint their faces with red and blue lines, resembling the facial coloration of a mandrill.
Swamp-dwellers are more likely to have an affinity for a unique breed of octopus that lives in the brackish swamps they inhabit, and scarify themselves in patterns of grayish-blue dots and swirls, administered through use of octopus venom, and requiring many days to create (and recover from) for the simplest patterns (and years, for the more intricate designs). The jungle-dwellers make less use of whips (although they do use snares and nets), and are known to use a form of gourd as weapon, a rotten fruit that is left to ripen in the high branches until it is ready to burst, then gently carried until it is ready to use as a malodorous projectile, so vile that it can momentarily incapacitate and sicken some creatures, particularly those with keen senses of smell.
Yeenoghu – The ornately-masked Drow who serve Yeenoghu are thought to be a small sect, perhaps numbering only in the dozens. Rarely is more than one seen, and they travel among communities of Gnolls, inciting them into more violent and organized depravity than normal. Many of these Drow use necromantic magics to keep their unreliable charges at bay, and only male Drow are ever seen in this capacity, as it is theorized that Gnoll matriarchs will slay any female Drow who attempts to influence their pack-leader status. Gnolls are often content to raise their own herds (or, more commonly, lay claim to specific territories, and ‘harvest’ from ‘their’ herds as hunger demands), but tribes under the ‘guidance’ of these nocturnal advisors are more prone to raid human settlements and engage in more brutish activities. The masked ‘advisors’ are known to bind Ghouls into their service, and, particularly, ghoulish gnolls, often advanced with unusual fiendish powers above and beyond those traditionally seen in abyss-tainted ghouls and ghasts. (Insert Golarion equivalent of Shoosuva here.)
Grazz't - worshippers would look little different than typical Drow, but be more focused on seduction, temptation and arcane magic (particularly the ‘gentler’ arts of enchantment, divination and illusion), with less of a spider fixation and a special relationship with Lamia and Succubi (instead of Driders, a Drow-Lamia hybrid might be the 'cursed outcasts,' as they are no longer sexually capable, a great punishment to the carnal followers of Grazz't!). Females and males would be equal in the eyes of Grazz’t (although sisterhoods of ‘witches’ who claim to have lain with the demon lord to gain his attentions, and touch his power, would exist, there would be many male enchanters and deceivers who serve his cause, often emulating their dark lord by creating harems of similar acolytes, whom they favor with arcane or divine training, in exchange for ever-greater explorations into sensual depravity). “In surrender, comes strength,” say the Grazz’t-lovers. Non-spellcasters would be considered communal property of the witches, and be used as menial labor, targets of sadistic abuse, sex partners, fodder for sacrifices and rituals and disposable flunkies, making communities of Grazz't worshippers relatively small, and clustered around a coven of witches (who could include Adepts, Bards, Clerics, Sorceresses and Wizards, and, maybe once in a blue moon, an evil Druid).
Kotschtchie - Drow worshippers would come out of the mountains of the frozen north during moonless nights and leave nothing in their wake but blood on the snow and burning villages, as if they watched 30 Days of Night and said, "Hell yes!"
Kostchtchie-worshipping Drow drain the blood from their infant children (using curing spells to keep them alive) and put snow-water into their veins. Those that survive this holy ritual are blanched of color and warmth, gaining Cold Resistance equal to their HD and a +4 bonus to Fort saves to resist the effects of environmental cold, as well as swapping their racial -2 penalty to Constitution for a -2 racial penalty to Intelligence (as their ‘minds grow cold’) becoming savage barbarians of the frozen north, howling out of the night in orgies of blood and terror. Males would brutally dominate females, with the exception of females who awaken sorcerous or divine (usually Adept) spellcasting ability, who just as ruthlessly terrorize the males and are reputed to gain their powers by giving themselves over to the terrible hungers of frost giants, who are regarded as Kostchtchie’s favored children, blessed with his essence. Those who survive this sacrifice are said to return with sorcerous or divine spellcasting ability, and no male has ever been known to gain such power, through any means (or, at least, not been known to survive, if the female spellcasters ever discovered such a male, they would have him terribly slain and all memory of the event purged as violently and thoroughly as possible!).
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I've had many debates on this on the old Wizards forums (the Drow, as often written, are too chaotic and unstable to possibly form any kind of civilization), and I see no need to rehash that now.And yet they did it. Whether in Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms or Pathfinder Chronicles, they have drow civilisations.
I won't debate this, but I will clarify my point. My point was that as written, it might not be reasonable to believe that the drow could ever possibly form a civilization, society, or political entity. The presentation of drow in Faerun, Greyhawk, and DnD in general is very, very weak.
I was mostly concerned in this thread about drow mechanics, which will wait until the bestiary I guess.
But I was wistful that something else might be done with them to make them more interesting to me. I'm sick of a nation of matriarchal Joker clones who happen to look like dark skinned elves. Evil is much more interesting, when its much more believable and subtle. I believe people would accept any presentation of drow that shows them as evil, dark skinned, underground, and elven. I don't think any of the other concepts are any more foundational than their worship of Lolth, and that is occasionally dropped. The other aspects never are, to my disappointment.
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But I was wistful that something else might be done with them to make them more interesting to me. I'm sick of a nation of dark skinned, matriarchal Joker clones. Evil is much more interesting, when its much more believable and subtle.
I've never thought drow were anywhere near joyful enough to be called "Joker Clones." As for the whole chaotic thing, was it 3.0 or 3.5 that switched their usual alignment to NE?
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I've had many debates on this on the old Wizards forums (the Drow, as often written, are too chaotic and unstable to possibly form any kind of civilization), and I see no need to rehash that now.And yet they did it. Whether in Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms or Pathfinder Chronicles, they have drow civilisations.
I won't debate this, but I will clarify my point. My point was that as written, it might not be reasonable to believe that the drow could ever possibly form a civilization, society, or political entity. The presentation of drow in Faerun, Greyhawk, and DnD in general is very, very weak.
I was mostly concerned in this thread about drow mechanics, which will wait until the bestiary I guess.
But I was wistful that something else might be done with them to make them more interesting to me. I'm sick of a nation of matriarchal Joker clones who happen to look like dark skinned elves. Evil is much more interesting, when its much more believable and subtle. I believe people would accept any presentation of drow that shows them as evil, dark skinned, underground, and elven. I don't think any of the other concepts are any more foundational than their worship of Lolth, and that is occasionally dropped. The other aspects never are, to my disappointment.
Again, in FR there are drow who live on the surface , who worship this one goddess who acct nothing like normal drow
But paizo made drow, well drow I have had non drow dark elves in games but a drow is not simply a dark elf. A drow is an evil , vile thing they are masters of cruelty and demonic followers and to make them any thing else ...well then they simply would not be drow would they
But I was wistful that something else might be done with them to make them more interesting to me. I'm sick of a nation of dark skinned, matriarchal Joker clones. Evil is much more interesting, when its much more believable and subtle.I've never thought drow were anywhere near joyful enough to be called "Joker Clones." As for the whole chaotic thing, was it 3.0 or 3.5 that switched their usual alignment to NE?
Fair enough. :) I was trying to think of a homicidal, chaotic figure and he came to mind.
The nominal alignment means less than the presentation.
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Perhaps... but the fact that Warcraft does with dark-skinned elves exactly what you wanted to be done with the drow is worth mentioning anyway.
I for one, don't like good Drow. I don't think it's possible. Is it possible for non-evil Drow. Yes. You guys did it.
I liked what they did with Night Elves vs High Elves vs Blood Elves because it changed a dynamic of the old light-skinned elf vs dark-skinned elf.
Off topic: I still hate Night Elves because they're Alliance scum.
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Even easier to hate cause of how they're usually played. Be warned tho, at least one Paizo staffer has played a NE. Have to dig up that old issue of Dragon or Dungeon to see who was in that screenshot...
Off topic: I still hate Night Elves because they're Alliance scum.
That would be me; my main's a night elf hunter with a raptor pet. And I'll be the first to admit that there's a lot of goofs playing night elves... but I will counter that by pointing out that there's a lot of goofs playing EVERY race. People just like to pick on the night elves because they're jealous.
And at least we have shoes and chairs on the Alliance side.
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That would be me; my main's a night elf hunter with a raptor pet. And I'll be the first to admit that there's a lot of goofs playing night elves... but I will counter that by pointing out that there's a lot of goofs playing EVERY race. People just like to pick on the night elves because they're jealous.
And at least we have shoes and chairs on the Alliance side.
I'll just have to respect your writing and sheer awesomeness and try to forget you play Alliance.
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As for the whole chaotic thing, was it 3.0 or 3.5 that switched their usual alignment to NE?
It's worth adding that they clarified their reasoning for this decision in "Drow of the Underdark." Individual elves are still CE, but their regimented and organized fighting style is more akin to a NE alignment, which is what the Monster Manual was trying to convey.
If you come across a group of drow and engage them in combat, expect them to fight as NE, even though each individual there is likely CE.
Back to the general topic at hand, I've always liked the way drow were presented in Faerun, and while I love paizo's work in general,
YMMV.