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We need to stimulate interrest in Science and Mathematics!

Check out this somewhat alarming article!

One way to do that is to make "Space" more fun! :)

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[yellowdingo] This means the high-tech ninja forces of the Commonwealth will rise up and destroy the imperialistic American empire in the near future! [/yellowdingo]

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Callous Jack wrote:
[yellowdingo] This means the high-tech ninja forces of the Commonwealth will rise up and destroy the imperialistic American empire in the near future! [/yellowdingo]

[craves attention]I love it when you include me in the conversation...look a bunny![/dang it]

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LUNAR STATEHOOD
THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OF SELF-COLONIZATION

INTRODUCTION
The USA is at a disadvantage. Intellectual Property is a Commonwealth of ideas and that is at odds with a direction towards the monopolization of Intellectual Property in which the USA is going. When I refer to I.P., I don’t just mean the development of Ray-guns and Space-ships. I mean the hard and tangible realization of Intellectual property; secondly, the fostering of those with the capacity to solve problems and find solutions; and thirdly to think beyond the limits of available intellectual and cultural resources, and to accept solutions as unwanted as they and their creators might be.

In a culture that is increasingly Monopolistic toward IP (a concept that is mirrored in modern corporate attitude toward both IP, and those with the Capacity to produce IP) it is a self destructive attitude incapable of coping with our problem. Consequently the US Economy is wearing this as an economic crisis. It is thus resistant to: ONE - loaning money it doesn’t have on something that will fail if not committed to in the long term, and TWO – investing in the growth of something that doesn’t meet its nationalist goals.

There are the beginnings of the Problem.

THE PROBLEM AND THE SOLUTION
The problem is that International law pretty much prevents Space beyond Earth and the worlds that exist there from being in the hands of any Earth nation. How do ‘we’ as a nation or group of nations benefit from colonization of Lunar territory if the territory and its resources are ‘off-limits’.
The Solution is therefore to place that which we cannot have in the hands of a non-earthly state. We must establish a Sovereign Lunar Government to Govern the Moon and to manage its own Colonization. It must Self-Colonize.

SELF-COLONIZATION OF A LUNAR STATE
This is pretty much a checklist of things to do in a sequence to achieve what is desired and required.
What is desired and required of Self-Colonization?

Desired:
1. A self sustainable Lunar State built by efficiency.
2. Deploy a population of ten million colonists over 100 years.

Required:

1. The Finances necessary to fund colonization. Let’s say we need 500 million-billion dollars. The Lunar State borrows this money from the United States of America. It agrees to the condition that this is a Loan to be paid back with interest. All up the Lunar State must pay back double. It doesn’t necessarily have to pay that directly to the US government. If it spends the funds in the US economy on its colonization program, it simply needs to pay back directly to the US Government that which it borrowed. The US government gets the interest back via taxation of the US economy which experiences growth in Jobs, Intellectual property Development (Spaceships and Lunar Habitats), etc. over the next hundred years.

2. Recognition of State Sovereignty and an Administrator of Colonization. The Lunar State needs two levels of Government:
2.1 Recognition by the United Nations as a world governing body, and by the Security Council members who look on the Moon as the next resource claim to be fought over just after they get through partitioning the Antarctic territories. To get this recognition it needs its own Government made up of its own Citizens, so pretty much every one who goes to the Moon will have a vote in a Lunar Parliament.
2.2 It needs Administration of the Colonization program. So it needs specialized personnel to administer its finances, direct its resources, and to achieve the required goals of Colonization. This would be achieved through the Leasing of N.A.S.A. from the US government for 100 million billion dollars over the hundred years. This is our administration body. It will have the means to achieve the ends.

3. Assemble the Infrastructure and Assets with funding.
3.1 With the Money and Authority the financing of Infrastructure. A city will need to ‘Purchased’ by the Lunar Colonization Authority to provide a closed citizenship city for the housing, training, and preparation of its Colonists and support workers. The city will be then retooled to become the factory for Launch vehicle construction and Launch, as well as become a training centre. Let’s rename this city: ‘Space City’. It will cost one hundred million-billion dollars to lease for one hundred years from which ever State in the USA it belongs too and evacuate it of non-personnel.
3.2 Recruit and import specialized personnel for the Retooling and repairing of the city, the installation of technologically advanced infrastructure of the highest quality, Training centre construction, specialized training personnel, Factories, and Launch centers with a massive launch capacity, as well as Education centers specializing in the education and training of support personnel and Colonists. This will cost say another a hundred million-billion dollars in the employment of support personnel over the next hundred years.
3.3 Because stress and economic disturbance affects social and economic stability as well as illness and crime, it is necessary to purchase ownership of Supporting Intellectual Properties (Medical and Technological patents) will support its Personnel and Colonists with Universal Medical care of the highest quality. Let’s say one hundred million-billion dollars here as well.

4. Four hundred million-billion dollars and we haven’t launched a colonist.
4.1 Begin constructing Colonization vehicles. These are necessarily Single-Stage free standing space ships with the capacity to house six colonists and all the resources (mainly food – Military Rations with a good two year shelf life sufficient to cover any ‘spoilage’ that might happen as a result of environmental conditions, as well as hydroponic and aquaculture support systems) necessary. Cost per vehicle to construct, prep, and launch is seen as: about 100 billion per launch & vehicle for a cost of $166,666.667 billion on 166,667 Single stage lunar colonization habitats. If we assume that all this is going to cost 200% as far as contract workers go then lets round it all up to a cost of 10 million-billion over 100 years.
4.2 Assuming a Colonist has 20 years to achieve self sustainability, we must support these colonists with 10x the initial food and equipment for 20 years so let’s bring that launch cost to 100 million billion dollars to support self sustainability.
For a cost of 500 million billion dollars, we get ten million people on the Moon and a ‘Space City’ on Earth with substantial intellectual property and capacity.

5. Recouping costs and paying off the loan.
5.1 The Lunar State then sells Space City to the Mars Colony so it can achieve the same process. It sells ‘Space city’ and support Intellectual Properties to the Martian Colonization Administration for 500 million-billion dollars so Mars colonization can begin. The Lunar Government pays off its loan to the US Government of 500 million billion dollars.

6. The colonization selection criteria. We must have the most efficient economic colonization method possible. This requires:
6.1 Restricting of Lunar Colonists to Women only. They will be provided with Genetic material to perpetuate their necessarily genetically self sustainable colony. This genetic Material will be from every human male on earth.
6.2 Selecting these Women colonists based entirely on national population Quotas. In 10 million colonists, the population would be something like 1/6th Indian, 1/6th Chinese, 1/12th USA…and so-forth.

7. Priorities for the Lunar Colonists:
7.1 The construction of a subterranean city capable of supporting one billion citizens in growth.
7.2 Where possible the city must be at sufficient depth say two miles down to provide sufficient shielding from any cataclysmic radiation event.
7.3 Establishing a self governing colony with a capacity for the only economy: Intellectual Property.

CONCLUSION
So there it is: A checklist of necessary obstacles to overcome. And they are not insurmountable. They are in-fact beneficial to the US economy and to the world at large.

I'm thinking that now I have suggested to the Obama Government that they need to send ten million people to colonize the Moon, those engineers who build it all will be chinese.


Commie engineers ain't building MY moon-base!

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Big Tex wrote:
Commie engineers ain't building MY moon-base!

MARK my words, they are so rapidly going Capitalist - they will make you all look like socialists by 2050.


Somehow, adding the worst parts of capitalism to the worst parts of communism doesn't make me feel any better.


Lord Fyre wrote:

We need to stimulate interrest in Science and Mathematics!

Check out this somewhat alarming article!

One way to do that is to make "Space" more fun! :)

Well I have been thinking about going into teaching and teaching math....


Completely unsolicited and perhaps unwanted advice:

Great field.

Terrible time.

(Unless maybe you could teach it in community/jr college.)

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Lord Fyre wrote:

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One way to do that is to make "Space" more fun! :)

You mean space ISN'T fun??? But what about all the explosions and radiation and extremely high-speed racing around and missing mass and energy and Black holes and wormholes and whiteholes and galactic clans of giant fighting robots and...ok, so maybe that last one doesn't exist. But ya. I definitely try to get people interested in space as much as I can. there's just so much out there, and I predict that's where a lot of the job market will be heading soon. Therefore, the best way for kids to prepare for the future is to ensure that whatever job they do, they can add "in space" to the end and it will still be ok. like, racecar driver "in space", not really much good. solar power engineer "in space", better and guy who welds things together "in space" will have his pick of the jobs come the revolution.

Or maybe I'm a desperate crackpot. you be the judge.

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kessukoofah wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:

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One way to do that is to make "Space" more fun! :)

You mean space ISN'T fun??? But what about all the explosions and radiation and extremely high-speed racing around and missing mass and energy and Black holes and wormholes and whiteholes and galactic clans of giant fighting robots and...ok, so maybe that last one doesn't exist. But ya. I definitely try to get people interested in space as much as I can. there's just so much out there, and I predict that's where a lot of the job market will be heading soon. Therefore, the best way for kids to prepare for the future is to ensure that whatever job they do, they can add "in space" to the end and it will still be ok. like, racecar driver "in space", not really much good. solar power engineer "in space", better and guy who welds things together "in space" will have his pick of the jobs come the revolution.

Or maybe I'm a desperate crackpot. you be the judge.

You are a crackpot. My Brother applied to NASA as a guy who can weld stuff as some one who could weld stuff in space. THey said they will be looking at robots to do that. So much for that space job.

Hell i could have assembled stuff in space and he could have done the welding and neither of us qualify for NASA's plans to replace our jobs with US millitary personell (aka robots).

Stuff NASA. We need to shoot them for getting in the way or our Space civilization.

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Lord Fyre wrote:

We need to stimulate interrest in Science and Mathematics!

Well if you want to stimulate interest in mathmatics, teache kids GURPS or Hero System. begins to look warely for CourtFool

Scarab Sages

yellowdingo wrote:

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Stuff NASA. We need to shoot them for getting in the way or our Space civilization.

I agree (almost) completely with this. I mean, a government controlled organization is almost necessary as a first step, but I think it's long past due that they be replaced with an outfit (or even several competing outfits) that could do the job more creatively and efficiently. Dammit, I really thought they'd be at least starting to put colonies in space by now, either in stations or on the moon/mars.

And it appears as though the best possible job in the future is roboticist/programmer then. maybe I should go back to school for that or something.


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

Completely unsolicited and perhaps unwanted advice:

Great field.

Terrible time.

(Unless maybe you could teach it in community/jr college.)

Could and have, been in the IT field for about 15 years since though. Very frustrating the number of kids fresh out of high school without even basic math skills though, I always felt to really make a difference you need to get to them earlier.

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kessukoofah wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:

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Stuff NASA. We need to shoot them for getting in the way or our Space civilization.

I agree (almost) completely with this. I mean, a government controlled organization is almost necessary as a first step, but I think it's long past due that they be replaced with an outfit (or even several competing outfits) that could do the job more creatively and efficiently. Dammit, I really thought they'd be at least starting to put colonies in space by now, either in stations or on the moon/mars.

And it appears as though the best possible job in the future is roboticist/programmer then. maybe I should go back to school for that or something.

They are having trouble with finding a solution on how to unbog the Spirit Rover. I just suggested they use the front wheels as high speed rotating gravel scooping tools to throw heavy grit against the middle wheels and form a raised bed road way on which the middle and back wheels could power forward on.

It seemed logical. I'm not sure whether the Rover has that capacity.

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yellowdingo wrote:
kessukoofah wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:

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Stuff NASA. We need to shoot them for getting in the way or our Space civilization.

I agree (almost) completely with this. I mean, a government controlled organization is almost necessary as a first step, but I think it's long past due that they be replaced with an outfit (or even several competing outfits) that could do the job more creatively and efficiently. Dammit, I really thought they'd be at least starting to put colonies in space by now, either in stations or on the moon/mars.

And it appears as though the best possible job in the future is roboticist/programmer then. maybe I should go back to school for that or something.

They are having trouble with finding a solution on how to unbog the Spirit Rover. I just suggested they use the front wheels as high speed rotating gravel scooping tools to throw heavy grit against the middle wheels and form a raised bed road way on which the middle and back wheels could power forward on.

It seemed logical. I'm not sure whether the Rover has that capacity.

That's just an excuse to keep us distracted until they figure out how to cover up or explain away what they really found.

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kessukoofah wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:

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One way to do that is to make "Space" more fun! :)

You mean space ISN'T fun??? But what about all the explosions and radiation and extremely high-speed racing around and missing mass and energy and Black holes and wormholes and whiteholes and galactic clans of giant fighting robots and...ok, so maybe that last one doesn't exist. But ya. I definitely try to get people interested in space as much as I can. there's just so much out there, and I predict that's where a lot of the job market will be heading soon. Therefore, the best way for kids to prepare for the future is to ensure that whatever job they do, they can add "in space" to the end and it will still be ok. like, racecar driver "in space", not really much good. solar power engineer "in space", better and guy who welds things together "in space" will have his pick of the jobs come the revolution.

You know, "Race Car Driver in Space" still works - In a Science Fiction sense at least?

Because:

  • Once people start piloting personal space craft, there will be racing.
  • Once there is racing, there will be professional racing.

    So, not now, but in the future - "Race Starship Pilot in Space" may be a real deal!

    In the mean time, how about "Pilot in Space"?

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    I think the Vegas factor is high here.

    Put two Rovers on the Moon and race them?
    Put two Solar Sailed Spacecraft in Earth Orbit and sail them around the moon in a Race.
    Put two Astronauts on the ISS in a Zero-G Kickboxing module.
    Put two bozos out side with a bag of tools and bet on which one loses the tool first.


    huh? This is a good thing. Math is for nerds, and is useless in real life. The last thing we want is nerdy americans. America dominates the world, because we are so cool.

    If you see somebody studying math, beat them senseless.

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    Nasty Pajamas wrote:


    huh? This is a good thing. Math is for nerds, and is useless in real life. The last thing we want is nerdy americans. America dominates the world, because we are so cool.

    If you see somebody studying math, beat them senseless.

    Calculators were invented purely to undermine national security. The USA is going to have to kill every child who cant do math in their head. Or relegate you to a job in keeping with the math you can do.

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    David Fryer wrote:
    Well if you want to stimulate interest in mathmatics, teache kids GURPS or Hero System.

    Yeah, that's the trick! It was Villains & Vigilantes for me.

    To calculate carrying capacity, you had to divide Strength by 10, then cube that number and add it to Endurance divided by 10, then multiply the result by a number equal to 1/2 of your body weight in lbs, or some such nonsense. (Was basic bodily hits involved somehow? I don't remember...)

    What we really need to do is convince young men that hot girls are totally attracted to smart guys who can buy them pretty things, and not the good-looking dudes who are going to work in their dad's car lots after their knee blows out and they don't get the scholarship. Sure, it may or may not be the truth (since generalizations like that are rarely useful), but when they are smart and have decent jobs doing database migrations and systems integrations, they can just order a hot mail-order bride from Russia or something. "For last time, my name is not Svetlana! Is Russian name, I am Slovak!" "Whatever."

    For the young American woman, they can do something similar. Get an advanced degree in whatever medical field is growing by leaps and bounds this year, succeed brilliantly, and play Mrs. Robinson to some hot young foreign exchange student that may or may not get deported if she gets bored. No pressure there, Sanjay, now get back to massaging her feet.

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