Has anyone ever made a Prestige Class for these guys, or adapted one from a published source?
I'd be very thankful for any help or suggestions!
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These are the elven knights of the triple orders, right? I believe they were the only order that never got its own PrC. You could easily use bladesingers or Champions of Corellon, cheesy as the classes are, for an appropriate PrC. For something with history, the Eternal Blade from Tome of Nine Swords works, as well.
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Not sure about the triple order part, I think that might be a different order. It seems a lot of Knights of Luna would be Ftr/Wiz types.
I've thought of both of those PrCs, but you're right; they are pretty cheesy. I'll check out the Eternal Blade, as I'm not familiar with that one. I've also considered just making them an affiliation a la PH2.
I'm just trying to remember who the KNights of Luna are in service to. THe triple orders were the Knights of Furyondy, Knights of the Hart, and Knights of Luna, I thought. I could, of course, be very mistaken...it's been awhile since i read the knightly orders of Greyhawk.
If originally they were F/mU's, then I'd simply make them the equivalents...'Eldritch KNight' kind of falls into that category. Abjurant Champion is another (short and sweet, special training from the oRder?), or you could simply use the Duskblade from PH2 as a base class.
==Aelryinth
I don't know much about the orders so you could be right. My Greyhawk-fu is weak these days.
Eldritch Knight seems a good fit (it even has Knight right in the title!) as does the Abj Champion. I was hoping, ultimately, that someone had actually made a PrC for the group, but really it doesn't seem all that necessary. Maybe that's why it hasn't been done.
Knights of the Hart is the "triple order": Furyondy; Veluna; the High Forest (these are all elves). Though they are noted (LGG) as being compatible w/ the Knights of Luna in terms of mutual assistance.
I think Eldritch Knight or Abjurant Champion work instead of a dedicated PrC for the Knights of Luna.
There were some knightly Pr Classes done up in odd issues of the late, great (and sadly missed) Living GH Journal, but I don't remember Luna being one of them.
EDIT: You might want to check out Canonfire to see if they've been statted up.
I checked out Canonfire but didn't see anything. I actually have the dead trees of all of the LG Journals (before they went to Dungeon / Polyhedron) so I'll have to find those and check them out. Thanks for the help!
The information in the LGG seems to indicate that the Knighs of Luna are more a political than a military group, without a strong hierarchy. This might be a reason why there has been no prestige class to date.
That said, Eldritch Knight is one option, but perhaps you should tinker with it to give it a more elven outlook (Elven Archer comes to mind as an example), and perhaps taking the politicial ties into account (status at the elven court, ties to the Knights of the Hart).
Stefan
Some last suggestions.
There are a handful of Knight & Paladin classes for GH done up in LGJ (in Dragon & Dungeon).
For example, Dungeon #113 has the Knights of Holy Shielding; #104 & Dragon #306 have lots of GH deity-specific paladins; Dragon #317 has "The Ranger Knight of Furyondy"; and Dragon #355 has a F/MU class called "Eldritch Warriors" (I haven't compared it to the Eldritch Knight).
Also, I'm not convinced the Knights of Luna need to be F/MU's. Even Melf has only 4 levels of Wizard if I remember correctly. Though I do like elves as F/MU's personally.
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I always pictured the Knights of Luna being like 1st edition Rangers, woodsy elven warriors with a dash of druid and a smaller dash of wizard. As a PrC, I could see them requiring 4 or 5 levels of Ranger and 1 to 3 levels of Sorcerer or Wizard, and allow progression in both Ranger and Sor/Wiz spellcasting. The PrC would probably only by 5 levels long (or, if 10 levels long, only give arcane spellcasting progression every other level).
Also, I'm not convinced the Knights of Luna need to be F/MU's. Even Melf has only 4 levels of Wizard if I remember correctly. Though I do like elves as F/MU's personally.
Melf is listed as Wiz14/Ftr4 in the LGG. I guess you remembered the level correctly, but the class wrong. Were he only Wiz 4, he could not truly have the Melfs... spells attributed to him.
THe combination F/MU for elves is somewhat signatory throughout the history of the game. But I agree that the Knights don´t have to be F/MU, as elves are a very varied lot. I see the Knights as a more political group, as I stated above, so if someone has the need for a PrC for the knights, it should be flexible enough to accomodate a lot of classes and class combinations IMO. I would make it a short PrC with three or five levels, not a full PrC.just my 2c.
Stefan
I don't believe they need to be F/MU either, but I remember the LGG saying "many of them wizards as well as fighters."
A PrC for rangers would work best, because the reason I bring it up at all is for a character who is a Ranger (with a level or two of Druid, I think) and I would like to see a potential PrC be more ranger than chivalric knight.
They also have members actively fighting the humanoids of the Pomarj and I think Ranger abilities would suit their style of guerilla warfare best.
I would make it a short PrC with three or five levels, not a full PrC.
My thoughts exactly. I agree with a lot of what you have written. I would like to see a PrC for the player and the character, but I think it could also be done differently. A 5 level class would do nicely, I think - nothing too fancy.
Melf is listed as Wiz14/Ftr4 in the LGG. I guess you remembered the level correctly, but the class wrong. Were he only Wiz 4, he could not truly have the Melfs... spells attributed to him.
Also, I'm not convinced the Knights of Luna need to be F/MU's. Even Melf has only 4 levels of Wizard if I remember correctly. Though I do like elves as F/MU's personally.
D'oh! You're right, I had the mix backward. That said, my memory remembers a discussion (Canonfire?) that the Melf of the Knights of Luna is not necessarily the same Melf as the iconic spellcaster. But that's neither here nor there...
THe combination F/MU for elves is somewhat signatory throughout the history of the game. But I agree that the Knights don´t have to be F/MU, as elves are a very varied lot. I see the Knights as a more political group, as I stated above, so if someone has the need for a PrC for the knights, it should be flexible enough to accomodate a lot of classes and class combinations IMO. I would make it a short PrC with three or five levels, not a full PrC.
Stefan
I've come round to your point on the KoL as more a political group; we're getting tied up on the word "knight" too much. A Ranger PrC as already pointed out would be awesome, and a 5-level limit would be just enough for flavorful enhancements.
D'oh! You're right, I had the mix backward. That said, my memory remembers a discussion (Canonfire?) that the Melf of the Knights of Luna is not necessarily the same Melf as the iconic spellcaster. But that's neither here nor there...
I seem to recall some official product stating that Melf is indeed the one responsible for these spells, but may be wrong on that account. Even if this was stated somewhere, what constitutes canon for the WoG is a topic of much debate anyway...
These spells do not seem particularly elven, which may be the reason for this discussion. OTOH, the Acid Arrow and the Minute Meteors sure are useful in a guerilla war, and thus may be an invention from the Celene elves.Stefan
I've come round to your point on the KoL as more a political group; we're getting tied up on the word "knight" too much. A Ranger PrC as already pointed out would be awesome, and a 5-level limit would be just enough for flavorful enhancements.
Well, a 5 level PrC could include:
- a bonus against special enemies (humanoids of the Pomarj)
- a diplomacy bonus with Knights of the Hart, perhaps even with humans in general
- some bonus with Celene elves, if the elves are not xenophobic
- maybe even some negative modifier for xenophobic Celene elves
- a caster level or two for any spellcasting class
- some combat bonus with signatory elven weapons
Just some ideas. However, a PrC is still not that necessary IMO.
Stefan