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Mikaze had a thread about tiefling paladins and I didn't want to threadjack, but knowing the write-ups that are contained in the current CoT AP (I just ordered my first AP series today), I was trying to imagine if such combinations (can) exist. Picturing a tiefling in one of those hellknight armors seems fierce!

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I'm glad to see that, much more inclusive than those speciesist dwarven defenders. When my goliath wanted to apply there was a sign on the prestige class saying: "you must be this short to enter." so of course he smashed up the joint and joined the hellknights.
it worked! got rid of another one with that sign! lol

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Sure. The Hellknights are pretty inclusive if you - you know - abandon all emotion and serve the advancement of unflinching, merciless law.
In my CotCT campaign I can metnioned "humorless @#$%s" and my players will know exactly who I'm talking about.
They are more open than I realized at first. I remember being thrown off-step when I saw that one important Hellknight was a centaur. Bringing in non-humans makes them a more robust force, I suppose.
One possibility is the idea of tiefling breeding programs, from which the most promising individuals are drafted into a special branch of the Hellknights or Cheliax's military force, either because their nature brings certain abilities to the table or for PR.

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One possibility is the idea of tiefling breeding programs, from which the most promising individuals are drafted into a special branch of the Hellknights or Cheliax's military force, either because their nature brings certain abilities to the table or for PR.
You're talking about a type of eugenics program for tieflings, correct? Intriguing. First of all, can they even breed true?

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Mikaze wrote:One possibility is the idea of tiefling breeding programs, from which the most promising individuals are drafted into a special branch of the Hellknights or Cheliax's military force, either because their nature brings certain abilities to the table or for PR.You're talking about a type of eugenics program for tieflings, correct? Intriguing. First of all, can they even breed true?
According to the original fluff for them, it's a tricky question.
Tieflings can have kids just as easily as normal humans, barring unusual features that might make it more difficult(such as not having any sexual organs, like the guy from Cityscape).
The trick was that the "tiefling factor" could be downright unpredictable. It could skip a generation, or several, and go hidden for a long time before resurfacing. You couldn't really depend on a tiefling child of another tiefling having the same features as his parent.(one might make an argument that this would be less true of devil-tainted tieflings than it would for demon-tainted ones) Certainly a Chelaxian eugenics program would have magic and other elements to help things along and ensure that the "taint" takes root.
Golarion might have a different take on that though. I haven't gotten my #25 yet, so I'm in the dark on that one.
edit-Winged half-fiend centaur Hellknight leading a squadron of winged tieflings, brimstone gargoyles, and imps as support. Mmmmm.

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According to the original fluff for them, it's a tricky question.
Tieflings can have kids just as easily as normal humans, barring unusual features that might make it more difficult(such as not having any sexual organs, like the guy from Cityscape).
The trick was that the "tiefling factor" could be downright unpredictable. It could skip a generation, or several, and go hidden for a long time before resurfacing. You couldn't really depend on a tiefling child of another tiefling having the same features as his parent.(one might make an argument that this would be less true of devil-tainted tieflings than it would for demon-tainted ones) Certainly a Chelaxian eugenics program would have magic and other elements to help things along and ensure that the "taint" takes root.
Golarion might have a different take on that though. I haven't gotten my #25 yet, so I'm in the dark on that one.
I ordered it yesterday and downloaded the PDF this morning and threw it on my jump drive to view it @ work until the hard copy arrives in the mail. Golarion's take on them kinda reminds me of India's 'untouchables' and that those 'exceptional' ones -- whether by heritage or by determination, can make it out of that caste system and further themselves.
It also briefly mentions that diviniation magic is notoriously unreliable to predict what the unborn child is going to become. It's going to be one hell of a eugenics program to pull off a desired strain. Given the psychology content section, seeing such a group would be unusual. For any program to occur, it definitely should begin sometime after birth so that they're separated from the indignities of the outside world's perception of them and thus indoctrinated accordingly to the whim of their masters.
Aside from the mentioning of the d% of abilities, it's the list of heritage variants that intrigued me. I had originally thought them to be of devil heritage, but the possibilities open up.