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Okay, I am not advocating any type of criminal behavior. However, if I were, I would like to know what constitutes the perfect crime in your mind. In mine it has to have three things. 1) I have to get what I want. 2) I have to not get caught. 3) Nobody gets hurt.
I would amend as follows:
1) Successfully acquire the goal of the venture
2) Leave no trace as to who is responsible for the crime
3) Leave no trace as to how the crime was committed (read - "it was here and locked up all night! There's no sign of break in, the room is locked from the inside, how did this happen!?!")
4) No one is hurt in the process
Okay, I am not advocating any type of criminal behavior. However, if I were, I would like to know what constitutes the perfect crime in your mind. In mine it has to have three things. 1) I have to get what I want. 2) I have to not get caught. 3) Nobody gets hurt.
When committing a crime, I don't think you can ever ensure that nobody gets hurt. For example, if you steal from a mega corporation, that loss is offset by the company either raising the cost of its products, or lowering its overall expenses. Either way, you're hurting people. On the one hand, if the cost is passed onto consumers, those people have less money to spend on other products. If the cost is absorbed by lowering the company's overall expenses, then the employees suffer from things like fewer office supplies, lower wages, and/or job loss.
I think if you're planning the perfect crime, you can't rely on whether or not it hurts other people. I think the only thing you can do is minimize how much it hurts other people, and/or ensure that it only hurts the people you want it to. For example, if you're going to steal from someone, you might decide to steal from the rich rather than the poor. After all, the rich are much more capable of handling a loss than a person who is poor.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Okay, I am not advocating any type of criminal behavior. However, if I were, I would like to know what constitutes the perfect crime in your mind. In mine it has to have three things. 1) I have to get what I want. 2) I have to not get caught. 3) Nobody gets hurt.4) Sebastian did it.
That's redundant with 2.
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Okay, I am not advocating any type of criminal behavior. However, if I were, I would like to know what constitutes the perfect crime in your mind. In mine it has to have three things. 1) I have to get what I want. 2) I have to not get caught. 3) Nobody gets hurt.When committing a crime, I don't think you can ever ensure that nobody gets hurt. For example, if you steal from a mega corporation, that loss is offset by the company either raising the cost of its products, or lowering its overall expenses. Either way, you're hurting people.
I was actually refering to physical injury here.
Perhaps amend point #2 to say, "everyone knows I did it, but they can't prove it, no matter how hard they try."
Like OJ, the early years?
Okay, I am not advocating any type of criminal behavior. However, if I were, I would like to know what constitutes the perfect crime in your mind. In mine it has to have three things. 1) I have to get what I want. 2) I have to not get caught. 3) Nobody gets hurt.I would amend as follows:
1) Successfully acquire the goal of the venture
2) Leave no trace as to who is responsible for the crime
3) Leave no trace as to how the crime was committed (read - "it was here and locked up all night! There's no sign of break in, the room is locked from the inside, how did this happen!?!")
4) No one is hurt in the process
You are making me want to run a Shadowrun game.
I was actually refering to physical injury here.
So let's say you wanted millions of dollars. If you could set up a Ponzi scheme, similar to the one Bernard Madoff did, and somehow get away with it, you would consider that an example of a perfect crime?
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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You are making me want to run a Shadowrun game.Okay, I am not advocating any type of criminal behavior. However, if I were, I would like to know what constitutes the perfect crime in your mind. In mine it has to have three things. 1) I have to get what I want. 2) I have to not get caught. 3) Nobody gets hurt.I would amend as follows:
1) Successfully acquire the goal of the venture
2) Leave no trace as to who is responsible for the crime
3) Leave no trace as to how the crime was committed (read - "it was here and locked up all night! There's no sign of break in, the room is locked from the inside, how did this happen!?!")
4) No one is hurt in the process
How so? I've never played any game of Shadowrun that achived one of, much less all of, those goals. ;-)
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I was actually refering to physical injury here.So let's say you wanted millions of dollars. If you could set up a Ponzi scheme, similar to the one Bernard Madoff did, and somehow get away with it, you would consider that an example of a perfect crime?
Except that Madoff got caught. The interesting thing about Madoff's plan was that if he had run it as multi-level marketing instead of the way that he did he could have done the same thing and had it been completely legal.
Edit: In fact the stock market is basically a ponzi scheme scince you take the money from the guy buying your stock to pay the guy who is selling your stock.
Except that Madoff got caught.
Well first, you'll note that I qualified my statement by saying if you could somehow get away with it.
But forget Madoff. Focus on the heart of the question. If you could defraud hundreds, or even thousands, of people out of their entire life savings, and get away with it, would you consider that a perfect crime?
How so? I've never played any game of Shadowrun that achived one of, much less all of, those goals. ;-)You are making me want to run a Shadowrun game.Okay, I am not advocating any type of criminal behavior. However, if I were, I would like to know what constitutes the perfect crime in your mind. In mine it has to have three things. 1) I have to get what I want. 2) I have to not get caught. 3) Nobody gets hurt.I would amend as follows:
1) Successfully acquire the goal of the venture
2) Leave no trace as to who is responsible for the crime
3) Leave no trace as to how the crime was committed (read - "it was here and locked up all night! There's no sign of break in, the room is locked from the inside, how did this happen!?!")
4) No one is hurt in the process
Me either. And yet like fools we keep on trying for perfection.
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Except that Madoff got caught.Well first, you'll note that I qualified my statement by saying if you could somehow get away with it.
But forget Madoff. Focus on the heart of the question. If you could defraud hundreds, or even thousands, of people out of their entire life savings, and get away with it, would you consider that a perfect crime?
Not only would it be the perfect crime, it goes on every day in America. It's called Amway, Qwikstar, TEAM, Royal American, Primerica, Work From Home.Com, or any of a hundred other names. In fact the thing that makes it perfect is that there are still people who fall for the scam even though most people know it is a scam.
Edit: Actually the perfect crime would be to get everyone to send a portion of their income to you every April 15th for the purpose of "fixing" problems that you created in the first place.
I would amend as follows: (snip)
4) No one is hurt in the process.
I would amend it further:
4) No one innocent is hurt in the process.
You are making me want to run a Shadowrun game.
How so? I've never played any game of Shadowrun that achived one of, much less all of, those goals. ;-)
He he, my first thought was Shadowrun too.
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I would amend as follows: (snip)
4) No one is hurt in the process.
I would amend it further:
4) No one innocent is hurt in the process.
You are making me want to run a Shadowrun game.
How so? I've never played any game of Shadowrun that achived one of, much less all of, those goals. ;-)He he, my first thought was Shadowrun too.
Indeed, good amendment.
I haven't played Shadowrun in years and years and years and ...