I have a half-orc cleric of Gorum in my campaign who has a vendetta of almost no basis against an NPC and wants to kill him. He knows that the NPC is presently sleeping, unarmored and with no weapons at hand, in a nearby tent and has a plan to go in with a darkness spell and kill him before he has a chance to wake up and gird his loins.
I feel that this is assassin work and beneath a god of battle like Gorum. In addition, the character is ostensibly Neutral in alignment, and I feel that this would be an evil act that would trigger an alignment change. The other party members also disagree with the cleric and feel that he wants to commit murder, pure and simple. They all declined to join him in his quest, and one wants to run ahead and warn the NPC if the cleric can't be talked out of it. He claims he is following Gorum's edicts in having a battle at least once a day; I think attacking a defenseless opponenent with no armor or weapons doesn't even count as battle.
So what do you think? Would Gorum approve of his plan of action? If not, would the deity try to dissuade him with a vision before he commits the act or merely display his displeasure once he goes through with it by causing his weapons and armor to rust or even by stripping him of his clerical powers? What would you do if you were DM?
It is definetly un-Gorum-like behaviour. If Gorum has a problem, he does not think or scheme, he goes and solves it with brute violence.
From Gods and Magic about Gorum: "He cares nothing for anything but war, and only valorous war - using poison, disease, or other cowardly methods to kill is the path of the weakling."
So it's clear to me: You made your stance clear, it's consistent with the books (and even if it weren't, YOU are the GM and final arbiter of everything in YOUR world.).
If he goes through, he'll probably not only lose his divine abilities, he'll probably have his darkness spell fail on the spot, his weapon will rust, and so will his armour, and just as the victim wakes instantly from the clamour of falling scrap metal, the ex-cleric's strength will leave him.
If he thinks that's unfair: Well, if you want fairness, don't follow a chaotic deity. Clerics put their fate in their god's hands. Gorum doesn't care about diplomacy, or wimpy stuff like visions to put someone on the right path again. If you fail, you die. No second chances on the field of battle.
ANd you're also right that this would be an instant alignment change to CE. I usually have a "three strikes" rule, but that's for minor transgressions against alignment, and heavier ones only if they're done in the heat of the situation. This is a very heavy transgression, and coldly calculated.
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i agree with KaeYoos in the full post
Gorum will see the murder as act of cowardice... not combat... its like you atacked unmoving rocks and called that a valorous battle...
The God of War would not have such a swrewd unders his mantle...
want to show the displeasure of Gorum... add to what KaeYoss said (rusting weapon and armor, failing spell and NPC awakening) by giving the NPC his weapon in the moment the cleric arrives... ahh and notmagic for such a screwd, Gorum doesn't answers the prayers of cowards.
no surprise check, no disarmed, no magic... Gorum will let his cleric prove himself in true battle... if he wins... its ok... he did the right way (combat needs not be fair) if not, well he is not his problem to deal with
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I have a half-orc cleric of Gorum in my campaign who has a vendetta of almost no basis against an NPC and wants to kill him. He knows that the NPC is presently sleeping, unarmored and with no weapons at hand, in a nearby tent and has a plan to go in with a darkness spell and kill him before he has a chance to wake up and gird his loins.
I feel that this is assassin work and beneath a god of battle like Gorum. In addition, the character is ostensibly Neutral in alignment, and I feel that this would be an evil act that would trigger an alignment change. The other party members also disagree with the cleric and feel that he wants to commit murder, pure and simple. They all declined to join him in his quest, and one wants to run ahead and warn the NPC if the cleric can't be talked out of it. He claims he is following Gorum's edicts in having a battle at least once a day; I think attacking a defenseless opponenent with no armor or weapons doesn't even count as battle.
So what do you think? Would Gorum approve of his plan of action? If not, would the deity try to dissuade him with a vision before he commits the act or merely display his displeasure once he goes through with it by causing his weapons and armor to rust or even by stripping him of his clerical powers? What would you do if you were DM?
Is this a new player? You may want to explain OOC (away from the table) that your idea of how Gorum interprets his edicts might be differant from his and you can talk about "hypethetical" situations.
If the player still wants to perform the actions then, feel free to act exactly as you wish. Strip powers away until he atones and/or change his alignment. Maybe this will make him happy? perhaps he has aways wanted to create a dark character who falls from grace and recovers? Or maybe the player is just on the bloodthirst side and wants to work something out.
If they player has been in your group for a while, still take him aside and let him know that with your gaming style, you useually have the cleric's deity meet out a little justice for such an infraction. That should open up a conversation on what you think is OK and he can rolepay accordingly.
If the player raises a big stink about your gaming style, he's more than likely working out something through the game. maybe he just needs to get something out of his system and then will throw in with the players once more. If you think thats' the case, maybe you can, throw him a little bone. Maybe there is another NPC that could popup somewhere to duel with. IF the NPC is not importaint, maybe that PC doesn't like the player too and they should slug it out in a bar room, or back alley. I have no idea what sort of story your doing here, but you might have some options.
Anyways, talking about it with the player is where you start.
I'm with KaeYoss and Montalve...this is a serious and deliberate transgression of Gorum's Edicts and should be met with the gods immediate displeasure.
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I have a half-orc cleric of Gorum in my campaign who has a vendetta of almost no basis against an NPC and wants to kill him. He knows that the NPC is presently sleeping, unarmored and with no weapons at hand, in a nearby tent and has a plan to go in with a darkness spell and kill him before he has a chance to wake up and gird his loins.
I feel that this is assassin work and beneath a god of battle like Gorum. In addition, the character is ostensibly Neutral in alignment, and I feel that this would be an evil act that would trigger an alignment change. The other party members also disagree with the cleric and feel that he wants to commit murder, pure and simple. They all declined to join him in his quest, and one wants to run ahead and warn the NPC if the cleric can't be talked out of it. He claims he is following Gorum's edicts in having a battle at least once a day; I think attacking a defenseless opponenent with no armor or weapons doesn't even count as battle.
So what do you think? Would Gorum approve of his plan of action? If not, would the deity try to dissuade him with a vision before he commits the act or merely display his displeasure once he goes through with it by causing his weapons and armor to rust or even by stripping him of his clerical powers? What would you do if you were DM?
Personally I agree with the loss of cleric-powers (at the most inopportune point for the cleric, which would probably wake the NPC as well). However I'm not so sure about the instant alignment change, although this would fully depend on his previous actions / future actions. For me as a DM it would start / end his movement towards CE rather than instantly change it.
That being said I want to re-ask from a previous poster if this player is new/truly understands Gorum's teachings?
In my opinion the best way to do so would be to take the Gods & Magic entry from the book, extract the tenants of the god, and make a small prayer out of it. Either giving him the paper way before the session or during the session right before he tries to enact the plan would work. This way it would clearly denote what his god thinks of as right and wrong. If he still enacts the plan... well, there goes his cleric powers (Although another god might take "pity").
If the player is really really new, flat out before the session pull him aside and tell him the consequences of not following his god's tenants. You don't have to tell him it's his plan that is in error, just consequences. And then give him the prayer. Hopefully the player follows yours guide... if not, you still have an interesting story hook to use!
Hope this helps!
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Yup; Gorum would probably prefer the worshiper to walk into the sleeping guy's room and then kick him awake so that the fight would last longer. Gorum, after all, is about the act of fighting, not the results of it as much. A combat that lasts longer than a short one (or worst of all, a quick murder) would probably disappoint him.
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After all the OOC discussion your group has already had, I would not prevent him from completing what he intends. Let him stand over his victim, and do what he wills.
Should he call out Gorum's name as he does it, his voice should be taken from him.
Afterwards, his armor should bubble up the word "coward" in orcish and common, front and back. Covered up it sears through any cloak (ruining any magic). Removed it etches in any clothing.
If you decide to eliminate his spells, you need to have the atonement built-in. Something like an booming voice in his mind screaming, "Until you relinquish cowardice and face a hundred foes without armor [or arms and armor], you shall not call on me!"
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COWARD !!!
Let's see :
- favorite weapon used for the attempted murder rusts away to nothing : check
- any magic currently affecting the cleric dispelled : check
- any and all subsequent divine spells denied for the encounter's duration : check
- disconcerting clamor of fallen warriors howling their contempt for his cowardice : check
- exiting the trance to find his enemy fully awake and wearing the cleric's armor and weapons : check
Enjoy
The player in question is not at all new; in fact, he's been playing longer than I have. This is, however, his first adventure in Golarion, and though he has read the Gorum info in Gods & Magic, it's possible he's subconsciously defaulting to a deity like Nerull or Gruumsh.
It's not at all important to the campaign whether this particular NPC lives or dies, but I feel like I would be neutering Gorum by allowing the PC to indulge in such behavior. And the player has a habit, no matter what kind of character he's supposed to be playing, of gravitating toward vindictive, revenge-at-all-costs personalities. Add to this that on the metagaming front, he's jonesing for the XPs and loot, and I really want to nip this kind of thing in the bud, hopefully without breaking up the party or causing hard feelings.
I guess one last recap of What Would Gorum Do before our next session is in order, and then I'll have to let him make his choice and deal with the consequences.
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I'd just say if you're gonna have Gorum turn from his cleric (and I'm not saying that's a bad choice) and shift his alignment to evil, you should have a more suitable god there to pick up the pieces... for a price.
Norgorber imediately springs to mind as an appropriate god of murder in the dark.
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One option, that might serve to warn the player without necessarily screwing him over quite so thoroughly, would be to have Gorum send a warning to the NPC in advance of the fight, so the combat can occur properly. The NPC can tell the cleric, "The God of Battles sent me a message that I should prepare for your arrival!" so as to make clear that Gorum's not happy about the cleric's plans, while simultaneously allowing the PC the chance to achieve his goals and meeting Gorum's own preference for a real, serious fight. After the fight is over, the cleric might lose his powers, possibly with a stern instruction to go seek atonement, but not until the battle has ended, one way or the other.
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The player in question is not at all new; in fact, he's been playing longer than I have. This is, however, his first adventure in Golarion, and though he has read the Gorum info in Gods & Magic, it's possible he's subconsciously defaulting to a deity like Nerull or Gruumsh.
It's not at all important to the campaign whether this particular NPC lives or dies, but I feel like I would be neutering Gorum by allowing the PC to indulge in such behavior. And the player has a habit, no matter what kind of character he's supposed to be playing, of gravitating toward vindictive, revenge-at-all-costs personalities. Add to this that on the metagaming front, he's jonesing for the XPs and loot, and I really want to nip this kind of thing in the bud, hopefully without breaking up the party or causing hard feelings.
I guess one last recap of What Would Gorum Do before our next session is in order, and then I'll have to let him make his choice and deal with the consequences.
And that is what I would do. I hope he is more pleasant to be around out of game.
sorry for the threadjack everyone...Ya I guessed right, thanks James!
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And the player has a habit, no matter what kind of character he's supposed to be playing, of gravitating toward vindictive, revenge-at-all-costs personalities. Add to this that on the metagaming front, he's jonesing for the XPs and loot, and I really want to nip this kind of thing in the bud, hopefully without breaking up the party or causing hard feelings.
I guess one last recap of What Would Gorum Do before our next session is in order, and then I'll have to let him make his choice and deal with the consequences.
Gorum would not be pleased by this cowards actions. I personally am against taking away free will of the players. Denying a character his prayers for X amount of time is good or even having him to atone. It sounds like you have already cautioned him enough about the teachings of Gorum. If he acts out of his faith, some form of punishment will be required. Even if you have to send a champion of Gorum to call the PC out to a challenge to the death and instead of killing him, causing subdual damage, left unconscious to be mocked may give him some humility.
I wish you luck. Players like this tend to get irritated and will leave the gaming table thinking you are in the wrong. especially if he has been gaming longer than you.
The man tossed and turned, visions of brutal warfare filling his dreams. A half-orc hunted him through the night, a cruel and heartless priest eager to murder him. Staggering to his feet, the groggy warrior frantically began to don his armor, somehow certain that the visions were real, that the half-orc was coming.
As the warrior buckled on his broadsword, a gutteral voice begin chanting outside the pavilion: the half-orc priest had arrived! His calloused hand jerked for his weapon's hilt, but suddenly, a thunderous crash almost knocked him from his feet! He staggered back, reeling from the blast as his pavilion wall tore asunder, revealing his foe scarcely five paces away! The half-breed priest clutched a shattered holy symbol in his gauntleted hand, an expression of shock and fear filling his eyes.
The bloodthirsty war god would have his battle.
As soon as he tried to cast darkness, I'd have his holy symbol shatter. Until he successfully atones, proving his valor in grim battle, I'd rule that any other holy symbol of Gorum he touches also shatters.
Of course, the followers of Norgorber would soon appear, hoping to recruit one who clearly sees the superiority of thier methods...
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My personal way of dealing with it would be to give the player the prayer as stated above in a vision just before he heads off to combat. I would not have Gorum wake up and warn the NPC, instead he is watching to see if the cleric will indeed go through with the cowardly act.
But I would not have Gorum grant any spells once the attack begins. If the PC does in fact murder the NPC, I would have Gorum strip away the PC's spells, but leave his armor and weapon intact. The moment the spells are stripped away the PC has a vision that to regain his spells he must fight some great amazing beast in single combat. Something along the lines of the tasks Hercules had to do.
I also would not change the alignment to evil. Neutral alignment doesn't mean the character can never act on the behalf of good or evil, but as a general rule does not pick one or the other. For example, would you force a Neutral character to good if he chose to rush into a burning house and save a helpless child? If you force him to evil, then by the same token he should never do anything good either as for fear of changing his alignment. But, if he consistently does evil acts and never performs any good acts, then perhaps evil is better suited to him.
In all honesty I don't think it should be a game ending, or party ending deed though. He let his raw emotions control him, drive him to an act contrary to his deity's wishes. Those things happen. He can atone for it, and even possibly find a way to make amends in some way to the party and the victim or victim's family.
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Another deity in addition to Norgorber (is that teh goofiest name or what?) that would probably consider reaching out to the PC is Asmodeus. It is actually almost a perfect set up for him.
The cleric acts in a way that he thinks proper but his god punishes him anyway, in a way the cleric feels is unfair and unjust. Asmodeus, seeing the "injustice" steps in to console the cleric, promising to be more understanding, and offering greater power anyway. All it requires is the cleric's soul to once more have pride and honor and power.
But of course, there WILL be rules that must be followed...
Just make sure you give the follow up of what actually happened.
Please.
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After all the OOC discussion your group has already had, I would not prevent him from completing what he intends. Let him stand over his victim, and do what he wills.
Should he call out Gorum's name as he does it, his voice should be taken from him.
Afterwards, his armor should bubble up the word "coward" in orcish and common, front and back. Covered up it sears through any cloak (ruining any magic). Removed it etches in any clothing.
If you decide to eliminate his spells, you need to have the atonement built-in. Something like an booming voice in his mind screaming, "Until you relinquish cowardice and face a hundred foes without armor [or arms and armor], you shall not call on me!"
That's what some wimpy deity would do. One of the losers who nurses little birds back to health instead of eating them.
Gorum's not a wimp. He'll do this decisively.
If the guy gets away, Gorum won't take him by the hand and tell him how to atone, either. If he's worthy, he'll find out.
If he doesn't like any of this, he should run to one of those wimps.
Rovagug's Teeth! He sounds more half-goblin than half-orc to me..
True half orc wouldn't be as subtle... if this NPC is a tough warrior, then Gorum may be pressing his priest to test his mettle [and metal] against him... as he's Neutral this could be to first blood or to defeat, but brutal, unprovoked murder seems pretty harsh even by Gorum's spartan outlook...
Okay back to my pit-fight...
Rovagug's Teeth! He sounds more half-goblin than half-orc to me..
We don't know about the other half.
Half-goblin, half-orc. Combine an orc's sheer stupidity with a goblin's cowardice and insanity.
Must you flaunt your ignorance like that? You embarrass the empire.
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Actually, once Gorum has cast the poor priest aside, I'd suggest a meeting with someone who truly understands how difficult such rigid codes of ethics can be. I mean, Gorum expects all of this "honor in battle" and similarly ridiculous adherence to a farcical notion that there is such a thing as a "fair fight."
Eligor, however, certainly understands the value of appearing to be honorable, brave, and noble, but doesn't actually require his followers to be all of those things.
And in Golarion, Eligor can grant spells and domain powers, just like any divine power can, so long as a character is willing to agree to a few guidelines. Really, your soul was going to spend eternity in servitude to Gorum, before. That blood-thirsty warlord would probably just put you on the front lines of some pointless planar war or something.
Join Eligor's armies and you'll have immortality on Golarion, as people sing your praises while you get away with doing whatever you need to do to survive and get ahead. Don't worry about the afterlife so much...that'll take care of itself, won't it?
I'd suggest, however, that you let everyone continue to believe that you worship Gorum. I mean, no one needs to know what really happened in that tent, do they?
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Actually, once Gorum has cast the poor priest aside, I'd suggest a meeting with someone who truly understands how difficult such rigid codes of ethics can be. I mean, Gorum expects all of this "honor in battle" and similarly ridiculous adherence to a farcical notion that there is such a thing as a "fair fight."
well no one said anything about fair fight... just fight :P
ok no tricks of the weak like poison and the like... but ambushes... and dirty tricks are all open to Gorum... he just want struggle, not just bloodsheed
but aye Rovagug or Norgorber would understand such cleric better
The Rough Beast wouldn't care one way or another. Destroy things and you'll get his power. How you do it doesn't concern him.
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well no one said anything about fair fight... just fight :P
ok no tricks of the weak like poison and the like... but ambushes... and dirty tricks are all open to Gorum... he just want struggle, not just bloodsheed
but aye Rovagug or Norgorber would understand such cleric better
That distinction makes sense, but I still think that a demon lord--or even a daemon--would be pretty quick to pick up the "scent" of a fallen cleric. Eligor was the first to come to mind, given the focus on war, battles, and heroics.
That kind of temptation and turn toward evil would be fun to play out, especially if the player is actively seeking redemption. However, it would present a significant challenge and might risk alienating the rest of the group.
I totally agree with KaeYoss, the wimps he should join. During an earlier part of the adventure he was denied entrance into this one complex by guards posted outside. What does he do? You guessed it. He punches a guard then takes off running. There's a mighty warrior cleric of Gorum for you.
(That is what you all guessed, right? You all didn't think he would fight this guy toe to toe did you?) :)
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I totally agree with KaeYoss, the wimps he should join. During an earlier part of the adventure he was denied entrance into this one complex by guards posted outside. What does he do? You guessed it. He punches a guard then takes off running. There's a mighty warrior cleric of Gorum for you.
(That is what you all guessed, right? You all didn't think he would fight this guy toe to toe did you?) :)
Wow... seriously?
Ok, there is NO way Gorum is going to keep giving him powers. There's just no way.
The assassin bit is just the tip of the iceberg, friend. This is a 6'9" half-orc weighing 357 lbs. Now picture this: There was this other group of NPC's that ticked him off so his idea was to drink an invisibility potion, go inside their complex and take their stuff. His only problem was he didn't have a way to silence himself. And yes, as crazy as all this sounds, it is all true.
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I will say one thing: (well, a few things actually... :P )
Braveheart movie, William Wallace, rides a horse to a scottish noble's bedroom, and CAVES HIS UNARMED, SLEEPING FACE IN WITH A HEAVY FLAIL!!!
(i.e. sometimes heroes use dirty moves too... especially when the aim is to kill traitorous bastards THAT OUTNUMBER YOU!!! [read: if you're a simple adventurer fighting against the establishment; i.e. old rich men with ARMIES protecting them] This whole alignment crap is way too limiting and often gets in the way of good sense, so I now adopt the "I'll let the DM figure this out for himself" attitude and play my PCs in the most realistic manner I can)
So yeah... killing an enemy in his sleep can be heroic... especially when you're taking an insane risk doing it! :P
I will say one thing: (well, a few things actually... :P )
Braveheart movie, William Wallace, rides a horse to a scottish noble's bedroom, and CAVES HIS UNARMED, SLEEPING FACE IN WITH A HEAVY FLAIL!!!
(i.e. sometimes heroes use dirty moves too... especially when the aim is to kill traitorous bastards THAT OUTNUMBER YOU!!! [read: if you're a simple adventurer fighting against the establishment; i.e. old rich men with ARMIES protecting them] This whole alignment crap is way too limiting and often gets in the way of good sense, so I now adopt the "I'll let the DM figure this out for himself" attitude and play my PCs in the most realistic manner I can)
So yeah... killing an enemy in his sleep can be heroic... especially when you're taking an insane risk doing it! :P
Okay. Putting aside the "alignment" issue for the moment, this is also against everying that Gorum represents.
Picking a fight with this personal enemy, sure. But the plan that cleric proposes is more in tune with several deities, but it is not Gorum's way.
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(i.e. sometimes heroes use dirty moves too... especially when the aim is to kill traitorous bastards THAT OUTNUMBER YOU!!! [read: if you're a simple adventurer fighting against the establishment; i.e. old rich men with ARMIES protecting them] This whole alignment crap is way too limiting and often gets in the way of good sense, so I now adopt the "I'll let the DM figure this out for himself" attitude and play my PCs in the most realistic manner I can)
I think that's a fair assessment. By itself, the act may not be inherently evil, but the motivation was described above as baseless revenge. William Wallace crushed an enemy who betrayed him on the battlefield, displayed exceptional cowardice and greed, and let hundreds of his countrymen die in the process. Revenge by killing him in his own bed is rather poetic...and it's not the same as killing a man in his sleep because you don't like the way he looked at you (or whatever).
However, my take on the discussion here is that it's less about alignment and more about acting in accordance with the teachings of your character's deity.
Someone earlier used the phrase, "What would Gorum do?" The alignment system is pretty subjective, I'll admit, but I think many can agree that Gorum would frown on killing an enemy in his sleep.
EDIT: Summary=I agree with Lord Fyre. (I got pulled away from the computer while typing the above post. ;) )
Were a priest of Gorum up against a vast host and woefully outnumbered he might use guile to weaken and dishearten his enemy before the fight...perhaps a raid on headquarters or the supply train...mauling the command staff within the enemy camp itself is both daring and bold...and I'm sure Gorum would approve... Priest do tend toward wisdom...or so I'm told...but outright murder...like a skulk in the dark....nope...thats no way to make the Hall of Hero's... assuredly turn about is a fair option...
Must you flaunt your ignorance like that? You embarrass the empire.Right, like empire sees either orcs or elves as anything other than slaves... really now, do I need to report your liberal chaotic tendencies to the authorities?
They know that elves and orcs aren't interfertile.
They know about my chaotic ways. But they're pragmaticists. They know I'll betray them one day, but I'd do that anyway, and until then, they welcome my support.
Heck, why not let several gods compete?
Because no one would want that loser? :D
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The player in question is not at all new; in fact, he's been playing longer than I have. This is, however, his first adventure in Golarion, and though he has read the Gorum info in Gods & Magic, it's possible he's subconsciously defaulting to a deity like Nerull or Gruumsh.
If he needs a comparison tell him: less Gruumsh, more Tempus.
If he needs a comparison tell him: less Gruumsh, more Tempus.The player in question is not at all new; in fact, he's been playing longer than I have. This is, however, his first adventure in Golarion, and though he has read the Gorum info in Gods & Magic, it's possible he's subconsciously defaulting to a deity like Nerull or Gruumsh.
Garagos fits better.
probably half orc and half elf, sounds like their kind
True - he smells all wrong to me...
The Rough Beast wouldn't care one way or another. Destroy things and you'll get his power. How you do it doesn't concern him.
Rage.Destroy.Eat.Repeat.
A fitting credo
As the player in question isn't on the boards to defend himself, I should point out that he did end up fighting the guy he punched and ran from. The guy chased him; the cleric turned a corner and readied an action to attack. His justification was that he knew he couldn't take on all the guards but wanted to attack someone somehow.
The using-an-invisibility-potion-to-steal-his-enemies'-stuff thing was wierd, though. It was like, "You realize you're not a rogue, right?" We told him it didn't seem like a very Gorum-y thing to do, but his argument was that he would use the loot he got to buy better armor and weapons and eventually set up a temple of Gorum. Ultimately, the only thing that kept him from trying it was his realization that invisibility doesn't last as long as it did in 2e.
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I will say one thing: (well, a few things actually... :P )
Braveheart movie, William Wallace, rides a horse to a scottish noble's bedroom, and CAVES HIS UNARMED, SLEEPING FACE IN WITH A HEAVY FLAIL!!!
So yeah... killing an enemy in his sleep can be heroic... especially when you're taking an insane risk doing it! :P
a) William Wallace was no cleric of War... actuallyhe would follow Sheylin and Calistria... everything is about love and vendetta...
b) Gorum will approve... the sleeping enemy was a traitor and run from combat... also Wallace fighted his way in... didn't used magic not to be noticed.
c) his enemy was awake... of course the nightmare and the horse's noise as it enters the bedrrom breaking the door does the trick
d) Gorum acept evil clerics... he could become evil and Gorum will still take him...
but even if he was good or neutral the damned half-orc cleric is screwd as it takes... there is not much to do about that
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The assassin bit is just the tip of the iceberg, friend. This is a 6'9" half-orc weighing 357 lbs. Now picture this: There was this other group of NPC's that ticked him off so his idea was to drink an invisibility potion, go inside their complex and take their stuff. His only problem was he didn't have a way to silence himself. And yes, as crazy as all this sounds, it is all true.With his fondness for vendettas and dirty tricks, it seems to me that he should be worshipping Calistria, not Gorum....
Maybe he does already, and just hasn't realised it yet.
It might be time to tell him 'you wake up one morning and find that your domains have changed to...' and leave him to figure out the rest.
Calistria is about vendetta... not murder... the murderous bastards she sent to Norgorber...
with Calistria de vengueance must be poetic, not brutish