| Mike Cary |
I need a ruling on this...
A player of mine is bringing in a new character (last char died in a prismatic spray), a Giant-blood human lycanthrope weretiger.
With the Giant blood he is a large creature, and with weretiger he would also be a large hybrid and large animal.
The problem is his STR score.
He is getting +12 when in hybrid/animal form, but he also thinks he gets a +8 even in normal form because he is large size instead of medium.
This gives him a total +20 in hybrid/animal form. His argument holds water looking at the MM1 3.5 entries, but I think the strength of the animals is based on size as well.
Can anyone help point out any rules that would govern this?
| pres man |
Whatever template is giving the increase in size already accounts for Str increases. The rule in the MM is for increasing a normal creature such as when you advance a normal wolf to 4-6 HD, it increases in size and thus gets a str boost, but this is not due to aquiring a template merely normal advancement rules. You and your friend are incorrectly mixing two different rules.
Hunterofthedusk
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Just say the biggest bonus applies, and tell him to shove it (jk).
Does his normal large form explicitly say that he gets +8 strength, or is he saying it does because of the size? Otherwise, I agree with pres man's interpretation, that since there's no more size increase (as there would normally be), the strength would be adjusted to the next highest bonus (to a total of +12, period)
What level is your party?
| SmiloDan RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
I'm curious - where does one find the Giant-Blood race or template?
I think there is a Forgotten Realms feat called Jotunblut or something that gives you the Powerful Build or maybe even Large size status.
The Expanded Psionics Handbook or something has a half-giant race. It's in the SRD.
| HJ |
With the Giant blood he is a large creature, and with weretiger he would also be a large hybrid and large animal.
I'm no expert, but a quick look at the SRD on bloodlines says nothing about the base creature becoming Large size or a +12 STR bonus. It does say "characters bearing giant bloodlines tend to be massive for their race" and it only gives a +1 STR ability boost at a specific level.
Hope thats usefull
Cato Novus
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If you're using the Giant Bloodlines from Unearthed Arcana, then the character doesn't get a +12 to Strength. None of the various Giant bloodlines grant that. The closest someone would come to that is if the character actually is a Giant
If you are using the Half-Giant race from Expanded Psionic(which is the one in the d20 SRD), the character is not Large Size, the character is Medium, but considered Large for certain things, such as weapon size, carry-weight, Grapple Modifier, and so forth.
If its not one of those two, then I would suggest ruling that the two bonuses don't stack, as it would be too imbalanced to do otherwise.
| Bellona |
Thank you to everyone who tried to answer my question. Maybe I should have mentioned which sources I had already checked! :)
I had already checked out the UA giant bloodlines, which gave me the same answer as HJ and Cato Novus did.
I had also checked the Jotunbrud regional feat (Races of Faerûn), and it does not make a character size Large, nor does it hand out a +12 Str bonus. It does have an effect similar to a goliath's Powerful Build.
Since I don't have any psionics supplements, I didn't think to check the psionic part of the SRD - but it looks like Cato Novus has refuted that possibility (the half-giant).
| pres man |
I might point out that people who think the OPer was saying the +12 was coming from the giant-blood are incorrect. The OPer was saying the +12 came from being a were-tiger and was gained when in the hybrid form or the animal form (tigers have a +12 STR, which already accounts for being a large creature).
The OPer was instead saying that the shift from medium to large should give an additional +8 STR due to standard rules for advancing a creature based on size from medium to large. Except that bonus has already be factored in to the size for a were-tiger and/or the giant-blood template, they want to double dip but that is not how the rules work.
| Gamer Girrl RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32 |
I might point out that people who think the OPer was saying the +12 was coming from the giant-blood are incorrect. The OPer was saying the +12 came from being a were-tiger and was gained when in the hybrid form or the animal form (tigers have a +12 STR, which already accounts for being a large creature).
The OPer was instead saying that the shift from medium to large should give an additional +8 STR due to standard rules for advancing a creature based on size from medium to large. Except that bonus has already be factored in to the size for a were-tiger and/or the giant-blood template, they want to double dip but that is not how the rules work.
I think you hit the nail on the head here ... the player is trying to pull a fast one.
It's time to tell the player, show me the rules you got this from, and if it's because of the were-tiger, it's already factored in. What else you got? :)