Pathfinder Companion page 16 improperly rendered


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Hey guys the picture on Page 16 is surrounded by gibberish text which cuts off the text in most of the second column and above the pic in column one. I re personalized and re-downloaded it with the same effect. Is anyone else having this issue?

Liberty's Edge

Bray Abbitt wrote:
Hey guys the picture on Page 16 is surrounded by gibberish text which cuts off the text in most of the second column and above the pic in column one. I re personalized and re-downloaded it with the same effect. Is anyone else having this issue?

If you're talking about the "Player's Guide" to Second Darkness, then no. No problem.


I just downloaded the file and checked - no problem at all.

Stefan


I found the problem..Apple Preview. I downloaded Adobe Reader and all is fine.


The problem with Mac OS X Preview comes from the fact that it doesn't fully support all features of the more recent versions of the PDF standard.

It would be nice if Paizo could generate their PDFs using version 1.4 of the PDF standard instead of 1.6 as it is doing now so everything will work fine with Preview which is much faster than Adobe Reader in Mac OS X.


Karmacoma wrote:

The problem with Mac OS X Preview comes from the fact that it doesn't fully support all features of the more recent versions of the PDF standard.

It would be nice if Paizo could generate their PDFs using version 1.4 of the PDF standard instead of 1.6 as it is doing now so everything will work fine with Preview which is much faster than Adobe Reader in Mac OS X.

This explains some problems I've had viewing recent pdfs from Paizo. So I'll second this recommendation if it's feasible for them to do it.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Honestly, with all sympathies to those whose PDFs won't render properly, how many of the subscribers are on A) Macs, and B) Macs that don't have Adobe Reader installed? Probably an awfully small number to change things for if there's anything lost by going back to 1.4.

Now of course if there isn't anything lost then what's the harm, but still, it's like complaining when a page won't render in Opera. Feasibility and all.


I'm only giving a possible solution by going to v1.4, but truth is the problem is with Apple and their engine for PDF content. If you look at the PDFs from Wizards new online Dungeon and Dragon magazines, they follow the 1.4 spec and they render fine using Preview. If you look at the doc properties using Reader (Command-D on a Mac, Ctrl-D on Windows) you can see that they are generated using the same toolset as Paizo: Adobe InDesign CS3 (5.0.2) and Adobe PDF Library 8, so it could be as easy as changing the PDF generation parameters.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Karmacoma wrote:
I'm only giving a possible solution by going to v1.4, but truth is the problem is with Apple and their engine for PDF content. If you look at the PDFs from Wizards new online Dungeon and Dragon magazines, they follow the 1.4 spec and they render fine using Preview. If you look at the doc properties using Reader (Command-D on a Mac, Ctrl-D on Windows) you can see that they are generated using the same toolset as Paizo: Adobe InDesign CS3 (5.0.2) and Adobe PDF Library 8, so it could be as easy as changing the PDF generation parameters.

Actually, when we first started doing PDFs, we were using the older spec, and it caused different problems that customers complained about (the worst being that images would be chopped up into small pieces) so we went to the newer spec, and those problems went away.

I'm as big a fan of Apple as anyone, but I think they've really dropped the ball with Preview. I personally stopped using it when Adobe Reader 8 came out. (And the "updated" version that came with OS X 10.5 is even worse than the version that came with 10.4—it has issues with transparency that no other PDF viewer seems to have.)

(Have you ever opened a non-protected bookmark in Preview, made a change, and then saved it? You'll lose the bookmarks. Way to go, Apple!)


Vic Wertz wrote:
I'm as big a fan of Apple as anyone, but I think they've really dropped the ball with Preview. I personally stopped using it when Adobe Reader 8 came out. (And the "updated" version that came with OS X 10.5 is even worse than the version that came with 10.4—it has issues with transparency that no other PDF viewer seems to have.)

Yeah, Leopard's version seems worse than the one in Tiger. I hope they get their act straight with Snow Leopard, that's why I keep filling bugs in their system. They seem to correct more than half the issues that I've filled before. Although it usually takes them one year and a half on average.

As the PDF format gets frozen by the new ISO spec I hope that all this rendering issues will disappear from the different rendering engines. And I have to try Reader 9, maybe it's fast again (like it was in Mac OS Classic).

Vic Wertz wrote:
(Have you ever opened a non-protected bookmark in Preview, made a change, and then saved it? You'll lose the bookmarks. Way to go, Apple!)

Yeah, the funny thing is that this behavior is documented, so you can't fill bugs against it, only requests for new features. *sigh*

Leopard's version of Quartz does support editing bookmarks programmatically so I expect that this will be corrected in the future.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Karmacoma wrote:
And I have to try Reader 9, maybe it's fast again (like it was in Mac OS Classic).

I'm not a fan. Reader 8 was, by my mark, the first good Mac version since the OS 9 days, but 9 seems like a step towards bloatiness again.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

By the way, we solved this issue with a new version of the PDF yesterday.


Thanks. I just got this Mac...I'm finding more small problems like this than I expected in light of all the fan advocacy over the past few years. Still a good system but not necessarily the improvement over windows I expected

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