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My party just faced the Haunt, and I have a question.
Does a Paladin's Save vs Fear apply to just Will Saves, or would it apply to For Saves as well?
Three of my players failled the Will Save and thought the attack was real. Two of them made the Fort Save, but one missed it by 1. I told him he had failed and was now dead, but the Paladin in the party claimed since he died of fright, his bonus would apply to the Fort as well.
I can not find any reference that would say one way or the other. Does anyone have an answer?
3.5 PHB pg. 44:
Aura of Courage (Su): Beginning at 3rd level, a paladin is immune to fear (magical or otherwise). Each ally within 10 feet of her gains a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.
Haunts are fear-based effects, which make paladins immune (they can still trigger them, but they are not affected) and allies within 10 feet gain the +4 on saves.
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3.5 PHB pg. 44:
Aura of Courage (Su): Beginning at 3rd level, a paladin is immune to fear (magical or otherwise). Each ally within 10 feet of her gains a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.
Haunts are fear-based effects, which make paladins immune (they can still trigger them, but they are not affected) and allies within 10 feet gain the +4 on saves.
I know that. He already failed his save vs fear even with the help from the Paladin. A save vs Fear is a Will Save. The fear he had caused him to have a heart attack, a Fort Save. That is what I need an answer to.
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I know that. He already failed his save vs fear even with the help from the Paladin. A save vs Fear is a Will Save. The fear he had caused him to have a heart attack, a Fort Save. That is what I need an answer to.
I don't think you're going to find a RAW answer for this one. I say it comes down to the GM. I can see it going either way. On the one hand, the effect is clearly a fear-effect, and so the bonus should apply. On the other hand, however, once you fully believe what's happening (fail the Will save), is the secondary effect a fear-effect? I would say no, personally, and rule that the character died, as you did. But I could see a DM ruling it the other way.
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I know that. He already failed his save vs fear even with the help from the Paladin. A save vs Fear is a Will Save. The fear he had caused him to have a heart attack, a Fort Save. That is what I need an answer to.
All of a haunt's effects are fear effects. The paladin's bonus isn't limited to Will saves against fear, so I'd have given him the bonus.
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Yeah; the paladin bonus probably should apply to all saves caused by haunts, since the source of the save is a fear effect. By the same reasoning, a paladin should apply that bonus to both saves to fully resist a phantasmal killer spell.
In a case where a haunt triggers or summons a monster, though (there are a few of these later on), any saves triggered by the monster wouldn't be protected by the paladin's aura (unless they were also fear effects).