Sci-Fi Channel Review of 4th Edition


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Ken Newquist at Sci-Fi.com has done a review of 4th Edition here.

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A good, well-balanced review. I especially liked the plug for Paizo and Pathfinder at the end.

Scarab Sages

Nice...see guys...being compared to an MMO is NOT a bad thing..

Great plug for Paizo and Pathfinder too!


MMORPG's are not THAT bad, it really depends on who you play with. The same goes for RPG's obviously.

I admit I played WoW for a good year probably, but eventually my friends dropped off and it became too much of a "who has the best gear" race.

4E has much less of a reliance on magical gear now, which I love.


Really? I thought they balanced the monsters assuming that PCs would have certain magic items and had magic merchants to sell the items, just like 3.x.


Kelvin273 wrote:
Really? I thought they balanced the monsters assuming that PCs would have certain magic items and had magic merchants to sell the items, just like 3.x.

It's a bit different. On 4E, PCs are supposed to get most magic items in the quest, rather then buying them, since they sell magic items at 20% market price and buy them at 110-140%.

Also, PCs only have three magic items that are useful on combat (a weapon, an armor, and a neck slot). Even without them items, they have better of chance of surviving than their 3.5E counterparts, since they have powers and better ability scores.


Krauser_Levyl wrote:
Also, PCs only have three magic items that are useful on combat (a weapon, an armor, and a neck slot). Even without them items, they have better of chance of surviving than their 3.5E counterparts, since they have powers and better ability scores.

And because of this, it's entirely possible to play a low or no magic world if the DM just gives these bonuses at certain levels instead of giving them in the form of magic items.


David,
Thanks for the link. I was curious about 4th edition, but after months of trying to glean what the new game was like from the WOTC forums, I finally gave up. Reading this review game me some good insight into the new game, and (to me) felt very honest without any bias.

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Tiger Tim wrote:

David,

Thanks for the link. I was curious about 4th edition, but after months of trying to glean what the new game was like from the WOTC forums, I finally gave up. Reading this review game me some good insight into the new game, and (to me) felt very honest without any bias.

You are welcome.


highsidednb wrote:

"It says a lot about 4th Edition that Wizards of the Coast had to skip the timeline of its popular fantasy campaign setting The Forgotten Realms forward 100 years in order to support the new game. I think most similar traditional D&D campaigns would need a similar jump to make them work with 4E; those who are unwilling to do so should either stick with 3rd Edition or check out Paizo Publishing's upcoming Pathfinder RPG, which promises to pick up with the game where Wizards left off. —Ken"

slowly becoming my sentiments exactly. i love playing Guild Wars. i like it as a video game. it's a great video game. i play table-top RPGs for different reasons. i don't want peanut butter in my chocolate. unless it's a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup or Baskin Robbins' Peanut Butter and Chocolate ice cream.

Except I don't think his premise is really true. Did WotC decide to skip FR forward 100 years for 4E? From everything we know, they did. But it doesn't follow that they HAD to do so, just that they thought it was the best choice.

At the time of the announcement, I remember at least a small group of posters who favored 4E's rules saying they'd continue to play in 3E era FR. I don't see why you couldn't do so still, and I think slamming the 4E ruleset because of non-connected changes in a campaign setting are unfair.

Edit: I love peanut button in my chocolate! But my wife likes peanut butter on her pickles. Now THAT, my friend, is disgusting! :P


David Marks wrote:


Edit: I love peanut button in my chocolate! But my wife likes peanut butter on her pickles. Now THAT, my friend, is disgusting! :P

You've found my weakness! The peanut button!

Like taste, I think its a to each (group) his or her own. I had a friend who refused to play any edition of D&D since 1st and was at least curious enough to try 4th edition.

Now that she has, she has become a part of our regular group. I think the current caimpaign would be missing something without her at the table as she has added a lot of insight, fun, and role-playing to the table.


Azigen wrote:
David Marks wrote:


Edit: I love peanut button in my chocolate! But my wife likes peanut butter on her pickles. Now THAT, my friend, is disgusting! :P

You've found my weakness the peanut button!

Lol. What a terrible typo on my part. I'll let it stand, because the mockery is well deserved. :P

Edit: And I agree with you re: taste. Some people grove to a specific edition of DnD, or to non-DnD games entirely. Glad to hear 4E brought someone great in to your table!

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Pop'N'Fresh wrote:

MMORPG's are not THAT bad, it really depends on who you play with. The same goes for RPG's obviously.

I admit I played WoW for a good year probably, but eventually my friends dropped off and it became too much of a "who has the best gear" race.

4E has much less of a reliance on magical gear now, which I love.

You know, that sounds alot like the RPGA...


David Marks wrote:
Azigen wrote:
David Marks wrote:


Edit: I love peanut button in my chocolate! But my wife likes peanut butter on her pickles. Now THAT, my friend, is disgusting! :P

You've found my weakness the peanut button!

Lol. What a terrible typo on my part. I'll let it stand, because the mockery is well deserved. :P

Edit: And I agree with you re: taste. Some people grove to a specific edition of DnD, or to non-DnD games entirely. Glad to hear 4E brought someone great in to your table!

I think half the fun of D&D is the miss-takes that happen during play. Never, ever again, will I include a toilet that functions on a disintegration spell.

Sovereign Court

let me guess, your players started making swirlies part of their tactics?


lastknightleft wrote:
let me guess, your players started making swirlies part of their tactics?

At first. But then it got worse, the party had a gnome tinker in it. If I recall, they eventually lost the toilet by using it as ammo from a catapult vs a red dragon.

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