Black Pudding question.


3.5/d20/OGL


So the MM says that a normal Black pudding weighs 18,000 lbs
which is the weight of two bull elephants.
The pudding in only 15 feet x 2 ft .
An elder probably weights about a million Tons.

Doesnt that seem crazy ? It would crush everything it touched to a pancake. Forget slam damage - it could just flow over things and flatten it ...

Your thoughts?


Murkmoldiev wrote:

So the MM says that a normal Black pudding weighs 18,000 lbs

which is the weight of two bull elephants.
The pudding in only 15 feet x 2 ft .
An elder probably weights about a million Tons.

Doesnt that seem crazy ? It would crush everything it touched to a pancake. Forget slam damage - it could just flow over things and flatten it ...

Your thoughts?

That the name arises from the micro-black holes that must make up the ooze to generate that type of weight in that small an area?


Black Pudding:
15’ across and 2’ thick
18,000 lbs

We assume a circle 15’ across (as compared to some other shape 15’ feet across).

The area enclosed by a circle is the radius squared, multiplied by Pi.

Area of a circle= r2 x pi

Diameter of 15’ = a Radius of 7.5’

(7.5 x 7.5) x 3.14159265 = 176.7145865625 square feet

176.7145865625 x 2 = 353.429173125 cubic feet

Water weighs 62.42796 lbs per cubic foot

The weight of water with a volume a circle 15’ across and 2’ thick = 22063.862282682575 lbs

So a Black Pudding weighs only 81.58 % (or approximately 4/5th) the same volume of water.

Think of that next time you look at a public swimming pool.


ok .

so why wouldnt it still crush you flat like a pancake if it flowed over you ?

I suppose there is some reason that when you swim to the bottom of a pool you dont get crushed...

Wouldnt something that weighed 18 k lbs crush you flat if it flowed on you?


the weight is spread out over a large area, there for it would not all be pressing down on you at once.

Grand Lodge

Just don't pee in the pudding.

-W. E. Ray


at this weight how deep a furrow would it make in earth and would it just collapse any wooden structure it went into ?
Would it collapse the second story of a castle if it went up the stairs ?
18,000 lbs...
Two elephants...

This is very critical to a massive argument in my game...


The reason why swimming to the bottom of a pool doesn't crush you is because most pools are not deep enough to produce any bars of pressure.

1 bar = atmospheric pressure at sea level. At 10 meters below water however, you are at 2 bar, 20 meters = 3 bar, and so on. Eventually, there will be enough pressure to crush you, but that is VERY deep.

Also, you are looking at it wrong. If a pool of water were to suddenly land on you out of the blue, yes, it would crush you. However, you asked why swimming in it doesn't crush you.

The same goes for this pudding. Were you to swim into it (NOT recommended), you'd be fine (relatively speaking), but were it to suddenly manifest above you and fall on you... Yeah.

As for it being in a building/castle... That depends on how thick it keeps itself vs how far it spreads itself out and the general structure itself.

-Kurocyn


Kurocyn wrote:

The reason why swimming to the bottom of a pool doesn't crush you is because most pools are not deep enough to produce any bars of pressure.

1 bar = atmospheric pressure at sea level. At 10 meters below water however, you are at 2 bar, 20 meters = 3 bar, and so on. Eventually, there will be enough pressure to crush you, but that is VERY deep.

Also, you are looking at it wrong. If a pool of water were to suddenly land on you out of the blue, yes, it would crush you. However, you asked why swimming in it doesn't crush you.

The same goes for this pudding. Were you to swim into it (NOT recommended), you'd be fine (relatively speaking), but were it to suddenly manifest above you and fall on you... Yeah.

As for it being in a building/castle... That depends on how thick it keeps itself vs how far it spreads itself out and the general structure itself.

-Kurocyn

That, and the atmosphere of the pool (for that's all a liquid really is) exerts pressure from multiple directions. Even if the pool were to fall on you, it would only crush you if a significant portion was concentrated into an extremely small area; otherwise, it would be no different than someone dumping a two-foot deep pan of water, with about the same width as your body, upon your head. You'd be soaked, but hardly crushed.

There's actually approximately six tons of air pressure pressing down on you right now. But our bodies have evolved in that environment, are adapted to it, and so we don't notice it.

As for the ooze itself, it's an ooze. It's living glop, jello, gunk. It's not solid. The reason it doesn't just crush you is that it flows around you, over you, etc. So it can't ever really bring all 18,000 pounds to bear on you in a concentrated enough fashion to actually crush you.

As for collapsing a second floor in a castle... that depends on several things:

1) The construction of the castle

2) How spread out the ooze is (i.e., whether 18,000 pounds over a 15' circle with a depth of 2' is enough weight to collapse the aforementioned construction)

3) Whether the DM wants to bring this level of physics into the game.

Number three trumps one and two.

I'd just like to point out that I'm shuddering for even engaging in the science-y discussion on this thread. This is a prime example of the type of real-world thinking I typically disallow at my table. It's way more complicated than it's worth, and not at all what I play the game for (yes, I know that's an opinon, don't flay me). D&D is not a reality simulation; attempts to make it one are ill-fated from the outside, for the world of D&D is governed by concepts such as "cinematic quality," "cool factor," "plot," and "game balance." Physics is present only as an afterthought, and only insofar as is necessary to make a believable world.

[/rant]


Thanks for all your answears .
They helped explain it all to me and me mates.

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