I've been trying to work out a character idea, but my work so far has has been for naught.
My starting point is a Nezumi sorcerer (for now) that becomes undead in some way, shape, or form, but I can't find a fitting template that doesn't have a +eighty-bajillion level adjustment.
Is there something akin to a vampire or shadow based undead that has a +1/+2 level adjustment?
From there, the PC is meant for 2 things, necromancy and planeswalking. What would be some good ways to work/build this PC? (I'm not an expert with casters by any means)
For flavor purposes, he has a home-made flaw from the D&D wiki that makes him severely delusional. To the point where his dilusions are quasi-magical and can become Unseen servants if he makes his will save, otherwise, they attack him and actually cause damage. >.>;;
Also, would this flaw remain with him while undead? Seeing as he'll still have his INT score, I would imagine so.
-Kurocyn
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I've been trying to work out a character idea, but my work so far has has been for naught.
My starting point is a Nezumi sorcerer (for now) that becomes undead in some way, shape, or form, but I can't find a fitting template that doesn't have a +eighty-bajillion level adjustment.
Is there something akin to a vampire or shadow based undead that has a +1/+2 level adjustment?
From there, the PC is meant for 2 things, necromancy and planeswalking. What would be some good ways to work/build this PC? (I'm not an expert with casters by any means)
For flavor purposes, he has a home-made flaw from the D&D wiki that makes him severely delusional. To the point where his dilusions are quasi-magical and can become Unseen servants if he makes his will save, otherwise, they attack him and actually cause damage. >.>;;
Also, would this flaw remain with him while undead? Seeing as he'll still have his INT score, I would imagine so.
-Kurocyn
There's the Vampire Scion from Green Ronin's Fang & Fury. That's +2 ECL. There's the Necropolitan from Libris Mortis. That's ECL +0.
There's the Gravetouched Ghoul from Libris Mortis. That's +2.Of the three options there, the vampire scion is probably your best bet, I'd think.
As far as the flaw goes, I doubt becoming undead does anything at all to improve one's sanity...
There's the Vampire Scion from Green Ronin's Fang & Fury. That's +2 ECL. There's the Necropolitan from Libris Mortis. That's ECL +0. There's the Gravetouched Ghoul from Libris Mortis. That's +2.
Of the three options there, the vampire scion is probably your best bet, I'd think.
Never heard of the Vampire Scion or that book before. 3rd party?
The Necropolitan seems like a template for those who just want to become undead; which could still work. If I used that, I could add on undead-specific templates. Hmm...
If I were to make the PC a cleric then add in the Necropolitan and Spell-Stiched templates, he would be getting access to both cleric and sorcerer spells both based off his WIS... I like.
As far as the flaw goes, I doubt becoming undead does anything at all to improve one's sanity...
Lol... True. ^ ^
-Kurocyn
I've been doing a little research on Animate Dead and other clasic necromancy spells, but is there a way to simply summon undead?
Also, are there any feats that would allow for control of greater numbers of undead?
-Kurocyn
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There's the Vampire Scion from Green Ronin's Fang & Fury. That's +2 ECL. There's the Necropolitan from Libris Mortis. That's ECL +0. There's the Gravetouched Ghoul from Libris Mortis. That's +2.
Of the three options there, the vampire scion is probably your best bet, I'd think.
Never heard of the Vampire Scion or that book before. 3rd party?
The Necropolitan seems like a template for those who just want to become undead; which could still work. If I used that, I could add on undead-specific templates. Hmm...
If I were to make the PC a cleric then add in the Necropolitan and Spell-Stiched templates, he would be getting access to both cleric and sorcerer spells both based off his WIS... I like.
As far as the flaw goes, I doubt becoming undead does anything at all to improve one's sanity...Lol... True. ^ ^
-Kurocyn
The vampire scion is indeed third party. (Then again, so is everything from Paizo, and Green Ronin is a company they've tapped several times in the RotRL AP; see for instance, the hidden beast, the devotees of lust, and the thaumaturge class used on both the scribbler and on the quasit in Burnt Offerings.) You can find it in this book, or you can buy the same book in PDF form here.
As far as your other question goes, look up the general of undeath spell and the undead leadership feat.
Try looking in Libris Mortis; it has the half-vampire template, which is a pretty low LA. It also has the summon undead spells. I would also like to direct your attention toward control undead in the PHB. It's a second level spell that gives you control over any undead you cast it on, with a duration of 1 day/level. I know it works differently based on whether the target is intelligent or not; I believe that non-intelligent undead (skeletons, zombies) don't get a save. This is a great option for giving a necromancer some undead minions before he actually has access to animate dead.
Not sure what to do for the planeswalking aspect, though.
I'll take a look at those, Timespike. Thanks for the reference. ^ ^
I did see Undead Leadership, but my source isn't perfectly clear on how it works (I don't have the Libris Mortis sadly). Do mindless undead count as followers? Or do they have to be intelligent undead?
Try looking in Libris Mortis; it has the half-vampire template, which is a pretty low LA. It also has the summon undead spells. I would also like to direct your attention toward control undead in the PHB. It's a second level spell that gives you control over any undead you cast it on, with a duration of 1 day/level. I know it works differently based on whether the target is intelligent or not; I believe that non-intelligent undead (skeletons, zombies) don't get a save. This is a great option for giving a necromancer some undead minions before he actually has access to animate dead.
Not sure what to do for the planeswalking aspect, though.
I'm still not 100% set on what template I want to use, but half-vampire is on the list for sure. The +0 LA of the Necropolitan is pretty tempting though.
So there ARE summon undead spells. Sweet. When I read that, I dug around a lil' bit and found some quick break-downs which will work for now. Thanks. ^ ^ I just need to get a Libris Mortis... It'd make this so much easier.
Control Undead at 2nd level? I'm finding it as 6/7th level. o.O? Different name/book perhaps?
As for the planeswalking, I'm actually at a crossroads. The travel domain is perfect, but it doesn't seem like a chaotic evil cleric could have it. I might be able to swing this PC to Neutral Evil, but even then I'm not for sure. Is there any way I can just pick 2 domains without regard to alignment?
Thanks for all of the help guys. ^ ^ I have yet another question though. What are some duely diabolical and/or dastardly (that's alot of d's!) spells for enhancing/augmenting a PC's undead minions? My aim being for his undead to not just be obvious physical threats, but to also carry disease/some other form of general-not-wellness.
-Kurocyn
Woops! Try command undead, not "control."
As for nasty undead abilities, you really do need to get your paws on a Libris Mortis and look into the Corpsecrafter line of feats. You can make undead explode with negative energy when destroyed!
Woops! Try command undead, not "control."
As for nasty undead abilities, you really do need to get your paws on a Libris Mortis and look into the Corpsecrafter line of feats. You can make undead explode with negative energy when destroyed!
Holy, er... Unholy snap!
I just looked into those feats. Absolutely perfect for this PC. Awesome reference Saern. (^.^)b *Kuro thumbs up*
(And yes, I fully plan on getting a Libris Mortis when I get home from deployment. Sounds like a supurb reference.)
Oh, and I found Command Undead. Strange that it's not on the cleric spell list. Then again, it's probably a domain spell. Nevermind. >.<
-Kurocyn
I would like to add that Libris Mortis is arguably my favorite supplement. It is a great book and perfect for making undead characters. You won't be disappointed.
It's certainly turning out that way. So far, I'm loving the book, and I don't even have one yet. ^ ^
As for the PC, I've ruled that he'll use the Necropolitan and Spell-Stitched templates. Being a cleric, his WIS is maxed, and thus allows him acces to more spells through his Spell-Stitched template.
I now have more questions though.
Being undead as he is, would he be able to cast Gentle Repose on himself? Or does that violate some rule about spells I don't know (I am far from being the guru on spell-casters. My forte is ranged combat)
Also, I'm still stuck in the mud with his domains. Death/Necromancy/Undead are all jockying for the first domain, but I'm really wanting Travel to be his second.
From my understanding of the domains, being chaotic evil makes this impossible. The chart on page 32 of the PHB lists Travel as a neutral domain, so would making this PC neutral evil work? I think it does, but I'd like a second opinion.
Thanks again for everyone's help so far. ^ ^
-Kurocyn
Domains aren't linked to alignment in any way, shape, or form (except for alignment domains such as Good and Chaos, obviously). The deities that offer them, on the other hand, are. Thus, the alignments a cleric PC can choose and still gain access to certain domains are limited by the exact composition of the pantheon in the campaign world. That said, you could have a good cleric with the Death domain (though he couldn't cast many of the spells) or an evil priest with the Healing domain. So there shouldn't be a problem gaining the Travel domain as a chaotic evil cleric, unless the only deities which offer Travel domain are two or more steps away from that alignment. If your DM will allow it, you can still worship a "cause" or "philosophy," in which case you just pick two domains that seem appropriate.