Crucible of Chaos (J3) (GM Reference)


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tdewitt274 wrote:
Hopefully others can use this thread to clarify questions arising in this adventure. If you happen to see another thread, please link post a link in this one to try and keep things tied together.

I've checked this forum, and couldn't find a consolidated thread for questions for this module, so it seemed a good idea to me to follow the example of tdewitt 274's highly successful Pathfinder threads, and to start one for J3.

Threads known in this Forum regarding J3 at the time of posting:
Thread regarding LA of Derhii, the Flying Apes
Another thread asking about Derhii, asking an identical qestion to that which opens the thread linked above
Thread regarding mixture of 'iconic' characers featured
Thread regarding PDFs of J3
Thread suggesting developments for dinosar/lizardmen theme
Thread containing opinions/reviews of J3


James Jacobs/Wolfgang:
To kick things off here, I have a couple of questions about Shoggoths.
(1) I see mention made in the 'typical physical characteristics', that the Golarion version of a Shoggoth presented here '...is capable of secreting a thick, viscous, semi-opaque, sticky slime that further enchances its ability to ctach and devour its prey...' but I see no mention of any bonus feat or racial bonus to grapple checks in the stat block. Is this an accidental omission? Should it have better grappling abilities than those listed?
(2) According to the information on page 27, either attempting to gain control of the Shoggoth or successfully controlling it (via use of the Shoggoth Stone) are both Chaotic Evil acts, even though the Shoggoth's given alignment is CN. Is this because the Shoggoth Stone is a Chaotic Evil item (which I do not find mentioned), or for some other reason? Is attempting to control a Shoggoth by other means a Chaotic Evil act?

As a comment, I was slightly surprised to see what appeared to be teeth/fangs in the artwork, given the Shoggoth's listed creature type, although I realise that these might not actually have any solidity to them, being more decorative(?) than functional.

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Charles Evans 25 wrote:

James Jacobs/Wolfgang:

To kick things off here, I have a couple of questions about Shoggoths.
(1) I see mention made in the 'typical physical characteristics', that the Golarion version of a Shoggoth presented here '...is capable of secreting a thick, viscous, semi-opaque, sticky slime that further enchances its ability to ctach and devour its prey...' but I see no mention of any bonus feat or racial bonus to grapple checks in the stat block. Is this an accidental omission? Should it have better grappling abilities than those listed?

The shoggoth has a racial bonus on grapple checks. It is listed in the Improved Grab special ability description and included in the grapple modifier listed in the stat block.

Charles Evans 25 wrote:


(2) According to the information on page 27, either attempting to gain control of the Shoggoth or successfully controlling it (via use of the Shoggoth Stone) are both Chaotic Evil acts, even though the Shoggoth's given alignment is CN. Is this because the Shoggoth Stone is a Chaotic Evil item (which I do not find mentioned), or for some other reason? Is attempting to control a Shoggoth by other means a Chaotic Evil act?

While the shoggoth itself is not necessarily evil (being a nearly mindless predator, its hard to classify it as evil) the power that sent it to Golarion is most certainly evil. Attempting to manipulate the portion of its power contained within the shoggoth stone requires you to expose yourself somewhat to his evil, alien intelligence. That's why its a chaotic evil act. By using the artifact, you expose yourself to its taint, and its impossible to completely shield yourself.

Attempting to control the shoggoth by means other than the artifact would not necessarily be an evil act, it would depend on what you were using it for.

Charles Evans 25 wrote:


As a comment, I was slightly surprised to see what appeared to be teeth/fangs in the artwork, given the Shoggoth's listed creature type, although I realise that these might not actually have any solidity to them, being more decorative(?) than functional.

Unfortunately, mythical monsters don't always fit snugly into the D&D ruleset. In this case, we felt that the overall monster was closer to an ooze than an aberration (possessing, as it does, the formless body and the engulf abilities), although you could make a convincing case for both. Besides, who says oozes can't have teeth?


Many thanks for the response, Jeremy. :)
Would it be possible for you to please clarify what the 'slam' damage for a Shoggoth (mentioned in the 'Engulf' special ability) totals? I can find tentacles, but no 'slam' damage, in the attacks section.

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Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Many thanks for the response, Jeremy. :)

Would it be possible for you to please clarify what the 'slam' damage for a Shoggoth (mentioned in the 'Engulf' special ability) totals? I can find tentacles, but no 'slam' damage, in the attacks section.

Hmm. The slam damage refers to its tentacle attack. It should really read "tentacle damage." And "tentacle attack" instead of "slam attack." In any case, the damage is 4d6+14


Jeremy Walker wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Many thanks for the response, Jeremy. :)

Would it be possible for you to please clarify what the 'slam' damage for a Shoggoth (mentioned in the 'Engulf' special ability) totals? I can find tentacles, but no 'slam' damage, in the attacks section.
Hmm. The slam damage refers to its tentacle attack. It should really read "tentacle damage." And "tentacle attack" instead of "slam attack." In any case, the damage is 4d6+14

Thank-you; I was worrying that an attack form had been left off of the stat block.

That's all for now from me on the subject of shoggoths....


Thread started by Nicholas Logue expressing excitement about J3 (Yes, THAT, Mr. Logue.)


And another thread started here about J3, this time with a suggestion for expanding it into a campaign.


And another thread about the popular Derhii, asking about them as a character race.


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Charles Evans 25 wrote:

I've checked this forum, and couldn't find a consolidated thread for questions for this module, so it seemed a good idea to me to follow the example of tdewitt 274's highly successful Pathfinder threads, and to start one for J3.

Hey, just wanted to throw out a "Thanks". I haven't been posting to the boards as much as I used to and just found this thread, but I wanted to make sure that everyone knows that this kind of effort is appreciated!


What are the languages known for the Derhii?

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