Lazaro
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After reading through the article, a few questions popped into my head. Could a dragon of a mix-blood clan develop the breath weapon or abilities of the other parent (A Red with a cone of ice, or a Silver with a line of acid)? Also what would happen if a chromatic mated with a metallic?
| Grimcleaver |
Between mating dragon breeds, the physical traits (such as breath weapon, coloring, and head shape) are carried from the dominant parent (females for metallics, males for chromatics) almost without exception, while the other mate determines a lot of the foundation of personality and intellect, and to an extent alignment.
The mating of chromatic and metallic dragons results in a third kind of dragons, known as Abomination Dragons, a rarity since many such hatchlings never make it to term. These breeds are: Hoarfrost, Rot, Ruin, Rust and Suffocation.
| Dragonchess Player |
The mating of chromatic and metallic dragons results in a third kind of dragons, known as Abomination Dragons, a rarity since many such hatchlings never make it to term. These breeds are: Hoarfrost, Rot, Ruin, Rust and Suffocation.
Although not stated, I think the Abomination Dragons are based on the chromatic parent: Hoarfrost (White?), Rot (Black?), Ruin (Blue?), Rust (Red?), and Suffocation (Green?).
| Grimcleaver |
Although not stated, I think the Abomination Dragons are based on the chromatic parent: Hoarfrost (White?), Rot (Black?), Ruin (Blue?), Rust (Red?), and Suffocation (Green?).
I have to imagine it's a matter of viable pairings, that only certain metallic/chromatic crossings can result in viable offspring.
Hoarfrost (White+Silver?)
Rot (Black+Copper?)
Ruin (Gold+Red?)
Rust (Green+Bronze?)
Suffocation (Blue+Brass?)
Still a lot of these pairings aren't based on much besides trying to find a slot to plug things into. Ruin makes good sense because the Golds and Reds are both such paragons that the corruption of all of that power and majesty just seems to link nicely with ruin. I couldn't think of a match better for hoarfrost than white and silver. Black is a sure bet for rot, and with Golarion coppers having such a bent for excess and hedonism, rot made sense. Greens are water dragons, as I believe are bronzes, plus bronze rusts--well patinas, which made me think that would be a good pairing. Suffocation can be a heat thing, and the blues and brasses are, if I'm not mistaken, desert dragons by nature so I could see that heat gone wrong as suffocation.
The presumption, supported by the low viability mentioned in the article of cross clan mating, is that there's a specific formula for creating one of these five Abomination types though. So while the specific combinations might be way off I think the basic idea is pretty well supported.
Mike McArtor
Contributor
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Between mating dragon breeds, the physical traits (such as breath weapon, coloring, and head shape) are carried from the dominant parent (females for metallics, males for chromatics) almost without exception, while the other mate determines a lot of the foundation of personality and intellect, and to an extent alignment.
The mating of chromatic and metallic dragons results in a third kind of dragons, known as Abomination Dragons, a rarity since many such hatchlings never make it to term. These breeds are: Hoarfrost, Rot, Ruin, Rust and Suffocation.
Yes. What Grimcleaver said.
Krome
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Of course if it is your game, you can do whatever you want. I think it would be interesting to eventually come across a Red with an Ice Breath weapon. Say it is from a recessed gene or something, or just a deformed dragon or something.
Now that is an idea. The humanoid races have all kinds of deformities. Why not the dragons? Sure they would be hunted down and slaughtered by other dragons that see them as abominations. But surly one could escape death for a while.
Imagine the originality of meeting a dragon that is spotted like a dog, with a misshapen wing and breathes a weird breath weapon, maybe an icy acid. This poor creature could be the BBEG for an AP.
Which makes me wonder why is it that dragons are always the midlevel bad guys, or henchmen? I do not remember an adventure ever where the BBEG was actually a dragon. We go through all kinds of dungeons...but rarely fight a DRAGON... dragons yes, but not DRAGONS!
Maybe the game should be DUNGEON and wymlings! lol
There ya go Paizo, AP #5 the BBEG is a Great Red Wym the big bad CR 20+ kind (now I am going to have nightmares).
| Cheddar Bearer |
When I read it my interpretation particularly with the metallics was that the recesive parent affected the look the looks of the dragon somewhat. If memory serves it specifically mentions this in the metallic section.
When I read it I thought this sounded like a really cool idea as it would prove an easy way for dragons to recognise instantly what blood line a dragon was from. For example a brass mothered, bronze fathered dragon (looked it up the bloodline is Lyxstryxl) would be a brass dragon but maybe with the ear flaps of a bronze dragon or would have a bronze dragons softer less pointed snout.
This is probably how I will run dragons heritage in my game but I can see why it would prove a pain to keep track of in pathfinder/gamesmastery product.
| Grimcleaver |
Concerning the possible ancestery of a certain featured dragon:
He seems very whiteblooded.
| Cheddar Bearer |
Grimcleaver you have a very good point there. I looked at it just from what would make the story somewhat easier to explain.
Still the way the red dragons are described I can't imagine them taking orders or even waiting for the giants to get into position they would naturally assume they could lot the whole town by themselves without any need for the giants.
Finally I am not sure on this but do the dragons in pathfinder still stick to their traditional territories based on colour as the articale in pathfinder 4 made no mention of any specific habbitats except for white dragons. If anyone official wants to chime in it to clarify it would be much appreciated.
Mike McArtor
Contributor
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Grimcleaver you have a very good point there. I looked at it just from what would make the story somewhat easier to explain.
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Finally I am not sure on this but do the dragons in pathfinder still stick to their traditional territories based on colour as the articale in pathfinder 4 made no mention of any specific habbitats except for white dragons. If anyone official wants to chime in it to clarify it would be much appreciated.
Yes. They are mechanically identical to the dragons from the PH. :)