Golarion Dragons


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After reading through the article, a few questions popped into my head. Could a dragon of a mix-blood clan develop the breath weapon or abilities of the other parent (A Red with a cone of ice, or a Silver with a line of acid)? Also what would happen if a chromatic mated with a metallic?


Between mating dragon breeds, the physical traits (such as breath weapon, coloring, and head shape) are carried from the dominant parent (females for metallics, males for chromatics) almost without exception, while the other mate determines a lot of the foundation of personality and intellect, and to an extent alignment.

The mating of chromatic and metallic dragons results in a third kind of dragons, known as Abomination Dragons, a rarity since many such hatchlings never make it to term. These breeds are: Hoarfrost, Rot, Ruin, Rust and Suffocation.


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Grimcleaver wrote:
The mating of chromatic and metallic dragons results in a third kind of dragons, known as Abomination Dragons, a rarity since many such hatchlings never make it to term. These breeds are: Hoarfrost, Rot, Ruin, Rust and Suffocation.

Although not stated, I think the Abomination Dragons are based on the chromatic parent: Hoarfrost (White?), Rot (Black?), Ruin (Blue?), Rust (Red?), and Suffocation (Green?).


Dragonchess Player wrote:
Although not stated, I think the Abomination Dragons are based on the chromatic parent: Hoarfrost (White?), Rot (Black?), Ruin (Blue?), Rust (Red?), and Suffocation (Green?).

I have to imagine it's a matter of viable pairings, that only certain metallic/chromatic crossings can result in viable offspring.

Hoarfrost (White+Silver?)
Rot (Black+Copper?)
Ruin (Gold+Red?)
Rust (Green+Bronze?)
Suffocation (Blue+Brass?)

Still a lot of these pairings aren't based on much besides trying to find a slot to plug things into. Ruin makes good sense because the Golds and Reds are both such paragons that the corruption of all of that power and majesty just seems to link nicely with ruin. I couldn't think of a match better for hoarfrost than white and silver. Black is a sure bet for rot, and with Golarion coppers having such a bent for excess and hedonism, rot made sense. Greens are water dragons, as I believe are bronzes, plus bronze rusts--well patinas, which made me think that would be a good pairing. Suffocation can be a heat thing, and the blues and brasses are, if I'm not mistaken, desert dragons by nature so I could see that heat gone wrong as suffocation.

The presumption, supported by the low viability mentioned in the article of cross clan mating, is that there's a specific formula for creating one of these five Abomination types though. So while the specific combinations might be way off I think the basic idea is pretty well supported.

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Grimcleaver wrote:

Between mating dragon breeds, the physical traits (such as breath weapon, coloring, and head shape) are carried from the dominant parent (females for metallics, males for chromatics) almost without exception, while the other mate determines a lot of the foundation of personality and intellect, and to an extent alignment.

The mating of chromatic and metallic dragons results in a third kind of dragons, known as Abomination Dragons, a rarity since many such hatchlings never make it to term. These breeds are: Hoarfrost, Rot, Ruin, Rust and Suffocation.

Yes. What Grimcleaver said.

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As for the abomination dragons, when and if I ever get to create them, I shall look to this thread for inspiration and ideas. :) Thanks guys! :)

Grand Lodge

Of course if it is your game, you can do whatever you want. I think it would be interesting to eventually come across a Red with an Ice Breath weapon. Say it is from a recessed gene or something, or just a deformed dragon or something.

Now that is an idea. The humanoid races have all kinds of deformities. Why not the dragons? Sure they would be hunted down and slaughtered by other dragons that see them as abominations. But surly one could escape death for a while.

Imagine the originality of meeting a dragon that is spotted like a dog, with a misshapen wing and breathes a weird breath weapon, maybe an icy acid. This poor creature could be the BBEG for an AP.

Which makes me wonder why is it that dragons are always the midlevel bad guys, or henchmen? I do not remember an adventure ever where the BBEG was actually a dragon. We go through all kinds of dungeons...but rarely fight a DRAGON... dragons yes, but not DRAGONS!

Maybe the game should be DUNGEON and wymlings! lol

There ya go Paizo, AP #5 the BBEG is a Great Red Wym the big bad CR 20+ kind (now I am going to have nightmares).


Lazaro wrote:
A Red with a cone of ice

Ouch. Those critters are vulnerable to ice. They'd hurt themselves worse with that breath weapon than their enemies! :P


:breathes: OW! BRAIN FREEZE! OW!

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Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
:breathes: OW! BRAIN FREEZE! OW!

lol, dragon-sized ice-cream headache!


When I read it my interpretation particularly with the metallics was that the recesive parent affected the look the looks of the dragon somewhat. If memory serves it specifically mentions this in the metallic section.

When I read it I thought this sounded like a really cool idea as it would prove an easy way for dragons to recognise instantly what blood line a dragon was from. For example a brass mothered, bronze fathered dragon (looked it up the bloodline is Lyxstryxl) would be a brass dragon but maybe with the ear flaps of a bronze dragon or would have a bronze dragons softer less pointed snout.

This is probably how I will run dragons heritage in my game but I can see why it would prove a pain to keep track of in pathfinder/gamesmastery product.

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One idea I was toying with along these lines was the three red dragons in Fortress of the Stone Giants. I am thinking of having Longtooth be a rascist/bloodline-ist puritanical, pureblooded Nerothroc red dragon. He helped Mokmurian trick the other two red dragons in Jorgunfist; Econtredor and Sulaminga, because they where of one of the cross breed bloodlines and as such Longtooth viewed them with pure contempt. He happily helped Mokmurian prepare them for the Sihedron ritual. He does care what happens to their souls as long as these abominations against Nerothroc are killed.


Concerning the possible ancestery of a certain featured dragon:

Spoiler:
See, I personally would have imagined Longtooth to be of Zosh blood, the white blood driving him to inhospitable regions out of a deep seated cowardice--plus allowing him to become the cowed patsy of a bunch of grungy giants, something that a more dignified pureblood would die rather than allow. I also see him as a bit of a brute. He doesn't make the plan the attack on Sandpoint. He doesn't even criticise it. He just goes. And while there, he does nothing of note besides flap from building to building lighting things on fire and eating folks--like a big pterodactyl. I justified a lot of this by the fact that his whiteblood ancestery gave him a very different outlook and personality.

He seems very whiteblooded.


Grimcleaver you have a very good point there. I looked at it just from what would make the story somewhat easier to explain.

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Tactics wise I completely agree with you he has all the makings of a brutish fighter that seems to be happier to be led than to lead. I can also see the way he deals with mokmurian as rather more subservient than a proud pureblood nerothroc. Having said that I may play it more as an alliance if/when I get to run it. In spires of xin-shalast it mentions that Karazoug specifically used to court dragons favour I imagined perhaps the Mokmurian was almost trying to copy him when he sort out longtooth as an ally.

Still the way the red dragons are described I can't imagine them taking orders or even waiting for the giants to get into position they would naturally assume they could lot the whole town by themselves without any need for the giants.

Finally I am not sure on this but do the dragons in pathfinder still stick to their traditional territories based on colour as the articale in pathfinder 4 made no mention of any specific habbitats except for white dragons. If anyone official wants to chime in it to clarify it would be much appreciated.

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Cheddar Bearer wrote:

Grimcleaver you have a very good point there. I looked at it just from what would make the story somewhat easier to explain.

** spoiler omitted **

Finally I am not sure on this but do the dragons in pathfinder still stick to their traditional territories based on colour as the articale in pathfinder 4 made no mention of any specific habbitats except for white dragons. If anyone official wants to chime in it to clarify it would be much appreciated.

Yes. They are mechanically identical to the dragons from the PH. :)

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