It looks like WoTC will be releasing the Player's Handbook, Monster Manual, and DMG together in June (Amazon lists at least the PH and MM as being released together). They may actually be listening and trying to give their customers what they want.
Well, that's a relief... I wasn't looking forward to waiting several months before getting the whole shebang together. Unless of course this means that these products are going to be rushed to get them out of the door.
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It looks like WoTC will be releasing the Player's Handbook, Monster Manual, and DMG together in June (Amazon lists at least the PH and MM as being released together). They may actually be listening and trying to give their customers what they want.
Wow, and four months later, they're releasing the PHB 4.0 Deluxe Edition. WTF?
Or they may be two months behind on the Player's Handbook... :)
It's a testament to how cynical 4E has made that this was my first thought upon hearing the news as well.
Or they may be two months behind on the Player's Handbook... :)
*giggles*
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Or they may be two months behind on the Player's Handbook... :)
--Erik
That might be (and I really hope so, otherwise I might just quit buying anything from WotC). But the link above lists both books separately, with different ISBN numbers. Although looking closer at it, the Deluxe Edition is significantly higher priced, so maybe they're expecting that one to be a collector's edition or something, and not for mass consumption.
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That might be (and I really hope so, otherwise I might just quit buying anything from WotC). But the link above lists both books separately, with different ISBN numbers. Although looking closer at it, the Deluxe Edition is significantly higher priced, so maybe they're expecting that one to be a collector's edition or something, and not for mass consumption.
Yeah, deluxe edition gaming books have been done before. Usually the 'deluxe edition' is a leatherbound version of the same book with a slipcase (sometimes wood, sometimes also leatherbound) and a little fabric bookmark attached to the spine. Sometimes there's also a 'bonus' thrown in like a little booklet about "The Making of..." or somesuch.
Sweet! Maybe my inane rambling wasn't for nothing!
With this "Deluxe Edition" talk, maybe I should wait until '09 just in case 4.5e is out by then.
My thoughts exactly.
The extremely poor editing of the Star Wars Saga edition, compounded by the release of 3.5 following 3.0 has really shaken my faith in WotC releasing a polished product out-the-gates.
Unless I find a deal I can't resist, I may just wait.
Or they may be two months behind on the Player's Handbook... :)
--Erik
May to June is a one month slip ;) It does mean they need to get in gear for the DMG though.
Scott Rouse has said that all three will be available individually, or in a slip case for a whole 10 cents more than buying the three separately.
The deluxe edition will be leather bound, like the deluxe core books they put out for 3.5. Collectors items, look nice on the bookshelf if you like that sort of thing. And apparently enough people did if they're doing it again.
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Collectors items, look nice on the bookshelf if you like that sort of thing. And apparently enough people did if they're doing it again.
Yes! not for regular use, as I learned with my deluxe edition PH. That thing is ratty and the cover is falling apart. Not something that happened with my non-deluxe PH. :P
the deluxe edition contains ALL of the words, while the standard leaves out every 5th word, and any word with more than 3 vowels.
The 3.5 deluxe printings had the errata corrected when they released. These may be releasing too soon to get the errata fixed.
So...they are offering mistakes in deluxe form. *rolleyes*
The 3.5 deluxe printings had the errata corrected when they released. These may be releasing too soon to get the errata fixed.
So...they are offering mistakes in deluxe form. *rolleyes*
mmmmmmm leatherbound typos...
mmmmmmm leatherbound typos...The 3.5 deluxe printings had the errata corrected when they released. These may be releasing too soon to get the errata fixed.
So...they are offering mistakes in deluxe form. *rolleyes*
But - in fairness - it will have a ribbon.
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The extremely poor editing of the Star Wars Saga edition, compounded by the release of 3.5 following 3.0 has really shaken my faith in WotC releasing a polished product out-the-gates.
Saga edition, yes, 3.5 not necessarily.
I won't make up excuses for Saga edition. It only exists because somewhere in a file cabinet somewhere, Wizards of the Coast had to make a 3rd core setting book as per their license.
ANYWAY, the depth of 3.5's mess is a simple one. EVERYONE knew there was going to be a 3.5. The designers had 3.5 "planned" when 3.0 was published. HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM that no one likes to talk about, is that none of the people that worked 3.0 was around for 3.5.
The concept of 3.5 was, fixing 3.0.
With Star Wars D20 and the D20 Modern lines, they fixed things as they went. 3.5 was SUPPOSED to be the finalization of 3rd edition. (Example.. no 2 base feats for two weapon fighting.) Everything that was broken, that we fixed in house rules, or they fixed in other iterations, was supposed to be 3.5.
What happen is you had a bunch of guys in Wizards who didn't work on 3.0 who decided to not only update the rules, but add their own rules.
3.5 was supposed to make rules work how they're supposed to work. Instead, it became a whole new edition on itself because the team that made us specific promises, wasn't around to do the work.
I still remember the original promise of never seeing one supplement telling us we needed another supplement for info.. 3.5 designers forgot that.
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My wife and I go for walks every night discussing the day's new WotC crapfest. And embracing, evermore, our 3.5 collection and game. You should have heard the laughter rolling last night.
I proposed that it's a marketing move, this way folks will shell out $100 all at once, instead of shelling out $30 first, reading the POS that is 4E, and deciding not to spend anymore on the other two books. There was much mirth.
Then there was the other quote, when I said "I guess the big 'we're releasing them one at a time to prevent the high cost to retailers' was just another WotC screw", to which my wife replied, "tell them to get in line."
Oh will this circus never end? :-) HAhahhahahah!
-DM Jeff