Old Light and Chopper's Isle question


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I'm still reading through the first issue and o'boy am I excited. Thanks for the über-quality design and writing, James and folks at Paizo!

I really like Chopper's tale, it's very creepy. More of that please!

A question: are Old Light and the ruins at Chopper's Isle going to be detailed further in future Pathfinder installments or better yet are they going to be adventure locations in the campaign?

I would like to know, so that I don't write contradictory material myself...


How much have you read? Once you get all the way through you'll know a bunch about the stuff under the Old Light. Apparently it will be further developed in a future volume.

Chopper's Island sounds like it's described a bit in backstory (concerning the Late Unpleasantness) and my guess is that this is likely all we're going to get.


There is a post about the Old Light, but for some reason it was moved to the "Archives". James Jacobs goes into some detail about the nature of the old light. Search on "Old Light" and the thread pops up. Not sure if we can "bump" it back into main list.

Edit: It worked, I bumped the thread out of the archives.

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There's more about the Old Light in Pathfinder 5. And I've got a short story in my head about Chopper that I might write some day, or I might not. Chopper himself may or may not appear in a later adventure... I'm not sure yet.


I've not read nearly as much I would like - so much to do, so little time.

Somehow I had missed the earlier thread about Old Light and it seems to answer my questions pretty much. So I think I'll leave Old Light intact for a while but maybe place a mini-adventure on Chopper's Isle if the PCs get interested. I suspect a raven or two might live in that place... thinking of The Birds.

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Thinking's for The Birds. :)

Although now that you've said it. I immediately thought up a Crow-esque resurrection of Chopper. After all the Power is in the Eyes. LOL w/ evil glee.

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I was very tired when I read the background information on Chopper. It put me in a mental state to imagine the killings as something more visceral - more immediate and upsetting - than simple little horror story. I saw a gentle woman wandering home from the theatre, humming a new tune. She turns down the street she always takes, sees a familiar face and barely has time to say, "Hello Jervis" before he cracks her skull with a heavy blade. She falls to the ground - the way real people fall, not like they do in movies. She slumps and whimpers. Chopper leans over her and whistles softly. The people in the houses nearby dream of birds.

Chopper really creeps me out. He's better as a long dead boogey man than an opponent with hit dice.

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"Would you like me to give you a carving?" the friendly old man whispered...

If you really want to creep out your players, envision a young boy whose bedroom window overlooked where one of the murders was done. He didn't see the murder itself, but he knows what happened.

He never let his parents find the little carved bird the man gave him: They'd have taken it away.

Now he's nine, and he found a little carving knife stuck in the sill of his window. He doesn't know where it came from, but it has a little bird design on the hilt.

Mother will be worried when he goes missing. After all, she knows that her child talked about Chopper's Island only the day before...

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Are there any thoughts on the identity of the demon that Chopper was worshipping? For some reason I see a Vrock when I imagine it but I wondered if it wasn't perhaps supposed to be one of the campaigns dark gods.


Wicht wrote:
Are there any thoughts on the identity of the demon that Chopper was worshipping? For some reason I see a Vrock when I imagine it but I wondered if it wasn't perhaps supposed to be one of the campaigns dark gods.

Lamashtu a la Wikipedia. Except for perhaps the donkey ears, it fits in with what I recall about other references about her (I can't recall page numbers at the moment) and with traditional Mesopotamian elements. The image is also akin to Lilitu/Lilith, and the common element of harming infants being one of them.

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DarkArt wrote:
Lamashtu a la Wikipedia. Except for perhaps the donkey ears, it fits in with what I recall about other references about her (I can't recall page numbers at the moment) and with traditional Mesopotamian elements. The image is also akin to Lilitu/Lilith, and the common element of harming infants being one of them.

I guess I don't think of a woman with wings, as a 'birdlike demon.'

Is Lamashtu considered a demon by the natives of Sandpoint or is she considered a goddess or is it a mixture, more akin to the Babylonians concept of gods and demons?


Who? What? Did someone say my name?
More importantly, did they say it three times...? ;)

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The demon Chopper got involved with and was worshiping was Pazuzu; Pazuzu and Lamashtu, while both being demon lords, do not get along.

The whole Chopper story is one I've got in pretty good detail still in my head; maybe one of these days I'll expand further on it...

OH: And Lamashtu is considered a goddess AND a demon by the people of Golarion.

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James Jacobs wrote:

The demon Chopper got involved with and was worshiping was Pazuzu; Pazuzu and Lamashtu, while both being demon lords, do not get along.

The whole Chopper story is one I've got in pretty good detail still in my head; maybe one of these days I'll expand further on it...

OH: And Lamashtu is considered a goddess AND a demon by the people of Golarion.

Thanks!


James Jacobs wrote:

The demon Chopper got involved with and was worshiping was Pazuzu; Pazuzu and Lamashtu, while both being demon lords, do not get along.

The whole Chopper story is one I've got in pretty good detail still in my head; maybe one of these days I'll expand further on it...

OH: And Lamashtu is considered a goddess AND a demon by the people of Golarion.

Ah! Evil against evil, the enemy of an enemy used as an ally. That's awesome that Pazuzu will be added to the mix. I feel so giddy with delight I almost want to say Lilith three times.

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