Hello everyone, I am the Darklord Brian, Opener of the Can of Worms (Major Artifact).
I'm posting to ask if anyone can offer assistance in converting the following Prestige Classes from DMG 1 to classes that you can take at 1L: Arcane Archer, Arcane Trickster, Eldritch Knight and Mystic Theurge.
Pleading my case:
1.) These classes all seemed to me, to be designed from 2E Multi-Classing (AFAIK, actually all I know from 2E I got from the tales of older players and Baldur's Gate): Wizard/Ranger, Wizard/Thief, Wizard/Fighter and Wizard/Cleric.
2.) There was a discussion on the STAP forums (that may still be there) where a DM asked about his group's heavily MC-ed party. The general consensus there (when last I checked) was that while current MC-ing was simpl and accessible, MC PCs were weaker in practice than on paper.
3.)There seemed to be only one good point in MC-ing a character playing Baldur's Gate, but in hidsight it might be an important one: You advanced in both classes at the same time. You were a little bit of Class A and a little bit of Class B and both seemed progress together (IIRC, that is).
This last point is what I want; a chance for a player to who (for example)pursues the path of both the wizardry and fighting to say level 10, while they may not be as good a fighter as a 10L fighter or a caster as a 10L caster, could at least be matched evenly against either of the two.
Also if I am misinformed about any of the things I posted that led me to this conclusion, please let me know.
Have you looked at the newer base classes in the Complete's books? They make most of the DMG PrCs obsolete, IMO.
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Have you looked at the newer base classes in the Complete's books? They make most of the DMG PrCs obsolete, IMO.Yeah...
- Arcane Archer = Warlock (kinda, totally different flavor though)
- Arcane Trickster = Beguiler
- Eldritch Knight = Duskblade
- Mystic Theurge.... okay, well that one's still good.
This may help. An unfinished project, but I happen to have already finished the classes you're interested in.
You are not misinformed; there is no reason why "class double" prestige classes should not be base classes. My arcane warrior fills the role of the arcane archer and the eldritch knight; the other two you requested are right there.
This may help. An unfinished project, but I happen to have already finished the classes you're interested in.
You are not misinformed; there is no reason why "class double" prestige classes should not be base classes. My arcane warrior fills the role of the arcane archer and the eldritch knight; the other two you requested are right there.
The Mystic Theurge PrC gets way more spells, though. Huge numbers of spells. So even your "base" Theurge does not weaken the PrC.
Yeah my MT gets less spells but they get higher level spells at the wizard's progression and the ability to focus on one stat instead of two. The major balancing factors in the published MT is their lack of high level spells (comparatively to single classed casters) and their MAD. Since I eliminated both of those, I thought it would be best to cut down on their spells per day.
Most Impressive, Tequila. But I'm not too sure about your version of the Theurge. I need to reread that part but I thought they were a combination of a Divine and Arcane caster. Your MT says it's just Arcane (he'd better watch out for Swamp Thing).
It's probably just as well however. Proving once again that AD&D stands for Attention Deficet & Disorder, I've done a 180* on this idea. The PHB 1 books are enough of a headache for me as is.
I defined the MT's spells technically as "arcane" but just because it's simpler than designating certain spells as arcane v. divine. (how do you define a spell that is on both arcane and divine spell lists?) The same reason that bards cast "arcane" cure spells. You can retain the MT's divine + arcane theme simply by attaching appropriate fluff to the crunch.
Anyway, I'm glad you like my class reworks and I hope they serve your players well.