For a while I have heard about these two demon lords and they're supposed relation to Demogorgon? Does anyone have any Info or Images or stats on these two? Thanx.
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For a while I have heard about these two demon lords and they're supposed relation to Demogorgon? Does anyone have any Info or Images or stats on these two? Thanx.
DAve
Ilsidahur is the lord of the bar-lgura, ape demons that also serve Demogorgon. His realm can be accessed directly from Demogorgon's realm. The two demon lords are allies, although possibly on the outs; Ilsidahur's definitely the lesser demon of the two. He gets a few mentions here and there in the later parts of Savage Tide, but doesn't play a big role. His first appearance was back in the early days of Dungeon; can't remember the exact issue off the top of my head, but it was before issue #12, I believe...
Mandrillagon is actually not WotC owned IP; he's a demon lord invented by Gary Gygax for use in his Gord the Rogue novels, and as such is closed content. We can't really use him, but I believe the story is that Mandrillagon is Demogorgon's brother or something like that?
For a while I have heard about these two demon lords and they're supposed relation to Demogorgon? Does anyone have any Info or Images or stats on these two? Thanx.
DAveIlsidahur is the lord of the bar-lgura, ape demons that also serve Demogorgon. His realm can be accessed directly from Demogorgon's realm. The two demon lords are allies, although possibly on the outs; Ilsidahur's definitely the lesser demon of the two. He gets a few mentions here and there in the later parts of Savage Tide, but doesn't play a big role. His first appearance was back in the early days of Dungeon; can't remember the exact issue off the top of my head, but it was before issue #12, I believe...
Mandrillagon is actually not WotC owned IP; he's a demon lord invented by Gary Gygax for use in his Gord the Rogue novels, and as such is closed content. We can't really use him, but I believe the story is that Mandrillagon is Demogorgon's brother or something like that?
Thanx James.
DAve
His first appearance was back in the early days of Dungeon; can't remember the exact issue off the top of my head, but it was before issue #12, I believe...
Issue 10, Shrine of Ilsidahur. Fairly low level (4-6 1st ed), so I don't think Ilsa makes an appearance. IIRC, it was a "defuse the bomb"/"raid the crypt" scenario.
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I think when Gary Gygax was publishing the Gord the Rogue stories, certain TSR intellectual properties were okayed to use, and certain weren't; he had just lost control of the company (long story I'm sure I don't have the gist of down).
This is where Mandrillagon came into the picture, as Demogorgon was disallowed to be used by him in those stories.
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I think when Gary Gygax was publishing the Gord the Rogue stories, certain TSR intellectual properties were okayed to use, and certain weren't; he had just lost control of the company (long story I'm sure I don't have the gist of down).
This is where Mandrillagon came into the picture, as Demogorgon was disallowed to be used by him in those stories.
Nope, Mandrillagon was the brother of Demogorgon in the Gord the Rogue books. Demogorgon made frequent appearances in the New Infinities Gord the Rogue books. Gygax was able to use the names of characters who had already appeared in the series in the two books published by TSR.
Of course, if Demogorgon is slain Ilsidahur (great name) becomes something of a free demon lord. I'm actually wondering how Paizo will wrap this AP up with respects to all the other demon lords and princes involved. It will certainly give WotC something to play with in the future.
Of course, if Demogorgon is slain Ilsidahur (great name) becomes something of a free demon lord. I'm actually wondering how Paizo will wrap this AP up with respects to all the other demon lords and princes involved. It will certainly give WotC something to play with in the future.Or If the Big "D" gets his wish...what he becomes will probably be a 100 times worse and then Paizo can play with that aspect?
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Nope, Mandrillagon was the brother of Demogorgon in the Gord the Rogue books. Demogorgon made frequent appearances in the New Infinities Gord the Rogue books. Gygax was able to use the names of characters who had already appeared in the series in the two books published by TSR.
Ah the old Gord the Rogue books. I still have all of them in my collection. I loved the "symbolism" of the ending...
Ilsidahur was actually statted in Dungeon #10, but nothing was mentioned of him until Fiendish Codex I. Ilsidahur appears as a huge simian with a long prehensile tail and ram-like horns of bronze. He supposedly covets the metal.
Mandrillagon is Demogorgon's "brother" in the Gord the Rogue novels. What is sure is that he is kin to Demogorgon, whether he is a brother in the sense that they shared a common parent is open to debate. Mandrillagon rules two layers.