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I was wondering if when I use the manyshot feat, this can be a ranged precision shot (Order of the bow initiate, Comp. warrior) ?
i.e. if one of my arrows would be applied precision damage (+d8 or more).
Thanks pals !
Yes, when using feats like Manyshot, one (and ONLY one) of the arrows may receive 'precision-based' damage such as Skirmish, Sneak Attack, etc.. Also, if the attack roll scores a critical hit, only one of the arrows is multiplied.
I was wondering if when I use the manyshot feat, this can be a ranged precision shot (Order of the bow initiate, Comp. warrior) ?
In general, Fatespinner is correct. However, the Order of the Bow initiate's Ranged Precision ability is special. It requires a standard action all its own (like Manyshot), and thus cannot be used with Manyshot.
One or the other, but not both.
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[...] requires a standard action all its own (like Manyshot), and thus cannot be used with Manyshot.
One or the other, but not both.
Where would I find this explanation ?
Thanks in advance.
(I thought that ranged precision damage would be treated just like sneak or skirmish damage !!).
You can apply skirmish or sneak damage to the precision damage but not Manyshot. You get one standard action a round and one move action. Your standard action is either your precision attack, with skirmish/sneak damage(takes 1 standard action) OR an attack using Manyshot, with skirmish/sneak damage applied to one shot (which is 1 standard action, per it's description), not both.
It's a bit wonky and wouldn't break a bowman to have them stack up butb by the rules you can't.FH
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Thanks FH,
I guess by the time I was asking for an answer, I was realizing that OotBI was making a ranged precision attack as a STANDARD action, same requirement as a manyshot feat, thus, since two standard actions are not possible during the same round, combining ranged precision and manyshot was not possible.
I guess this would be either a precision attack after a move (for skirmish damage), a rapid shot full attack action, or a manyshot use after a move (same as precision) if the creature is not to difficult to hit.
Anyway, I guess I'll go for the greater manyshot feat and/or improve precise shot and/or improve rapid shot after this !
I wish I had more feats to be able to take far shot, penetrating shot and the combination to get shot-on-the-run !!
It's very hard nowadays to be a great archer...
;-}
Another archery question :
Does anybody know of a feat that could let you apply precision-based damage (skirmish, sneak...) to an extended range of 60 feet instead of 30 feet ?
I think I have seen this somewhere...
Crossbow Sniper, PHB II.
if you think about it, why would precision damage apply to the many shot feat. many shot make you give up "precision" to fire more arrows so technicaly you couldn't apply precision damage to a feat make you give up precision, that just wouldn't make sense.
Except manyshot explicitly says:
Special: Regardless of the number of arrows you fire, you apply precision-based damage only once. If you score a critical hit, only the first arrow fired deals critical damage; all others deal regular damage.
So you don't give up any precision, you just get to add extra arrows.
On a side note, unlike in 3rd edition, in 3.5, ranger's favored enemy damage is not precision damage, there for all arrows in a manyshot do the extra damage for a favored enemy. Not that deals with the current discussion.
Also if you don't seem to have enough feats, consider taking a couple of levels into fighter to pick up some.
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Also if you don't seem to have enough feats, consider taking a couple of levels into fighter to pick up some.
Thanks for the advice, but I've plenty of feats (I would not mind having a couple more, though) : scout 6 (1 scout bonus feat) / [no-casting] ranger 6 (endurance, track, precise shot, manyshot + 1 bonus for giving up spells, improved favored enemy), human.
I think I have around 12-13 feats at 12th level without a single fighter level.
Among them plenty of archery feats (point blank shot, precise shot, rapid shot, manyshot, greater manyshot, weapon focus composite longbow) + heroe's luck / swift hunter / improved favored enemy / improved toughness / endurance / track).
I am not complaining... but trying to improve my "art-chery" !
Is there out somewhere a feat similar to "crossbow sniper" (from PHB2), but for someone using a bow and not a crossbow !?
I'm not sure there's an exact analogue, but the high level Order of the Bow Initiate gets the 60' range for sneak attack/skirmish at higher levels.
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Is there out somewhere a feat similar to "crossbow sniper" (from PHB2), but for someone using a bow and not a crossbow !?I'm not sure there's an exact analogue, but the high level Order of the Bow Initiate gets the 60' range for sneak attack/skirmish at higher levels.
Yes, I have seen that, but OotBI is not exactly what I am heading to !
And wait 10 levels !It's not that bad, though, but being a ranger 6th / scout 6th, with rapid shot, manyshot, greater manyshot (precise / point blank & weapon focus composite longbow), skirmish bonus and favored enemies (3 with imp favored enemies), my actual point is :
- either I move and fire 2 arrows with manyshot (and greater) & skirmish, and that is already a standard action, so no precision shot available...
- or I make a full attack action, firing 3 arrows with rapid shot.
There is no way the precision shot of the OotBI can fit there...
I am still considering taking 2 levels of OotBI though (because of close-combat archery only !!!! even if I don't mind a better will save...).
I was really looking for the archer & bow equivalent of "crossbow sniper"...
I was really looking for the archer & bow equivalent of "crossbow sniper"...
I'm not sure that there is such a feat. I get the impression that the point of Crossbow sniper is to give crossbow users abilities that you just can't get with a bow in the same way as Many Shot is simply not usable with a crossbow.