I’ve always been a fan of Dragonlance, and while I was poking around on there movie site I ran across a thread that put forth the question Who won the fight between Raistlin and Fistandantilus? This was in the second Dragonlance trilogy. I have wondered this myself. In the book it talks about over lapping memories of both Raistlin and Fistandtilus because of the soul sucking amulet, but it never says who really won. Does anyone remember this fight, and if so who do you think won? I figured if anyone knew or had a good opinion it would be on this board which is the greatest source of all D&D knowledge.
Fizz
Well, if Fistandantalus had won, Caramon probably wouldn't have made it out of the Abyss. Fistandantalus seemed more the type to worry about his own skin, while Raistlin was just as protective of Caramon (in his own way) as Caramon was of Raistlin.
Well, if Fistandantalus had won, Caramon probably wouldn't have made it out of the Abyss. Fistandantalus seemed more the type to worry about his own skin, while Raistlin was just as protective of Caramon (in his own way) as Caramon was of Raistlin.
Wait my memory is rusty, I thought he left them in the Abyss...He only stopped his rise to godhood because he saw that he would destroy the universe. Which would lead to him alone devouring himself?
Fizz
Wait my memory is rusty, I thought he left them in the Abyss...He only stopped his rise to godhood because he saw that he would destroy the universe. Which would lead to him alone devouring himself?
You're pretty much correct. In the books it never truly says who won. If my memory serves they make it out where there ends up being some kind of meld between the 2. I.E. both personalities and memories being put into one body one mind. Although I believe Raistlin does get credit of dominating the behavior 80% to 90% of the time. Its all in how they act.
Now I hope that makes sense because as I proof read what I wrote, I notice it does get a little obscure, but I'm not sure on how to make it any clearer. So if its unclear to you ask questions, hopefully in having to answer them I can make it where we all understand.
Raistlin. Duh. The story doesn't really make a whole lot of sense if he doesn't, and besides- I like him to much to thinkin my mind that Fistandantilus really won. I choose to think Raist won.
Also, yes, Raist held off is ascencion to godhood in the Abyss because he would destroy the universe, but he also held of Takhisis long enough to let Caramon and Crysania (and Tas? Was he with them then? Can't remember) safely back onto the Material Plane. It was quite touching, really. *wiping tears from my eyes* :)
I don't remember it being ambiguous at all. Raistlin won because afterward Caramon nearly assasinates "Fistandantilus" before realizing that Raistlin had replaced him. But I did read TotT a long time ago, so I'm probably forgetting details.
Fistandantilus couldn't hold the portal together with the interference of the gnomish device... and the head of the Mage Tower (I think he was a white robe?) mentions that it was Raistlin's sheer force of will that allowed him to succeed where Fisty ultimately failed and fell victim to the exploding portal.
I dunno though, time travel mucks that all up... but that's how I see it.
Raistlin won hands down. When he beat Fisty, Raist got all of Fisty’s memories but not the active personality traits. He may have occasionally “remembered” something Fisty knew, which would give him pause, but he was pure Raistlin the entire time.
The time travel thing is where most people lose their perspective. There are many things attributed to “Fistandantilus” in the histories which were in fact perpetrated by Raistilin. Raistlin took Fisty’s identity after he won the amulet battle. Since he was masquerading as Fisty, history attributed everything he did to Fisty. This was how a major paradox loop was avoided (foreknowledge leading to predestination). Even Raistlin didn’t know what was going on until he’d taken the irrevocable steps to initiate the swap. Everyone else (including Fisty) was ignorant and couldn’t inject anything that would disturb the cycle.
The few things that Raistlin “knew” from studying the histories, he used to his advantage (go figure). The conquests, which direction to head, the portal blowing up, etc., were all things he wove into his tapestry of behavior. Anything he didn’t know for a fact, he could deduce with a good degree of accuracy (he was a pretty smart guy).
Regardless, though…Raistlin won, no doubt. Utterly. Completely.
Too bad such a cool character was subjected to such a long, slow, lingering demise, finally ending in the War of Souls. Ugh- the reason I stopped reading Dragonlance! Too much change, too quickly.