Humanoid (Chaotic) ???

[Kwint]

Do humanoids who are affected by the "savage tide" retain their pre-savage descriptors, specifically, does a Human still rate as a Humanoid (Human) for purposes of, say, a Ranger's Favored Enemy?

kwint

[The Dalesman]

Kwint wrote:

Do humanoids who are affected by the "savage tide" retain their pre-savage descriptors, specifically, does a Human still rate as a Humanoid (Human) for purposes of, say, a Ranger's Favored Enemy?

kwint

Well, looking at the Savage Creature template, it does say that, other than adding the chaotic subtype, the base creature's type does not change. I think it would still apply.

My party has a ranger who selected humans as a favored enemy - I let him apply it against the pirates when they fought their way through Kraken's Cove.

Your Friendly Neighborhood Dalesman
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[Fiendish Dire Weasel]

good q, hadn't thought of it yet. i agree with dalesman, but i think i would also add that i would let them count as both humans AND chaotic outsiders for the purposes of favored enemies and weapon types and so on. i think as far as subtypes, it would add new types, but not remove any previously existing ones, if that makes sense. ie the deionychus with tentacles would be a monster and a chaotic outsider as well, imo. i would say he would have demonic aspects and dino aspects concurrently, and as such would be adversely affected by anything targeting either subtype.

[James Jacobs]

A savage human would still count as a human for purposes of ranger favored enemies and spells that target only humans (or humanoids). The original creature's type gains the chaotic subtype, but does not change actual type. A strict application of the rules would indicate that a ranger with favored enemy (chaotic outsiders) would not gain his bonus against a savage creature, but I think houseruling it so that the ranger does get the bonus is pretty cool.

[Foisto]

As the DM in this instance, my reasoning was that a human who had undergone such a cataclysmic morphing into the creatures suggested by the description and picture would also have different internal anatomy and weaknesses (not to mention which head does the thinking, whether or not the tentacles work like functional appendages, etc.). Thus, a stab to the heart or kidney of a savage pirate wouldn't be as predictable as to a "normal" human. Based on their death throes melting into goo and immunities, damage resistance, etc., it seemed they behaved less like humans and more like something else...like an aberration? Now that they've defeated all the savages of Kraken's Cove, I have no problem with changing this ruling, though...
I'm sure the heroes will fight more savage pirates in the future, but all will be former dwarves, elves, orcs, etc. just to keep Kwint happy. ;-)
So, if a druid shapechanges into an animal (or a wizard polymorphs into a bear) and is attacked by a ranger with favored enemy (animal), does the ranger get the bonus? What about a lycanthrope in animal form?