The intelligent evil warrior(X) is aware of the party's presence - He is in melee with a PC (a dervish who has danced all the way around him). X has a javelin of lightning he would like to throw at the rest of the PCs standing in a passage (a passage he has made for the sole purpose of being able to make such an attack)
I would have X move the 20' to position himself to throw the javelin in a line and the dervish then gets an AoO because X leaves a square he threatens - and hits. As I start to finish his move, a PC (who also DMs) states that X will stop his movement after 5' because he was hit with the AoO - but is this true? The next square I would have X move into is not threatened??? The PC grew stern and said that it was exactly the same with a reach weapon and that X was forced to finish his round in that square.
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Is the player right?
In short, no, the player is mistaken. It sounds to me like he is mixing this up with another rule, maybe the rule about Grappling. When you attempt to start a Grapple, it provokes an AofO. If you succeed on a Grapple, you move on into the opponent's square, but if you fail, your movement stops. In other cases, anybody who wants to take the risk may threaten attacks of opportunity and keep right on moving (assuming he lives, of course).
No, the player isn't right.
If you want to move and take an action (throw javelin) you indeed incur an AoO but even if that hits (but doesn't drop him) you can still move your speed and take the action.
Please tell you lightning bolted them.
Is the player right?
No, and the appropriate response to such a claim is: "Show me the rule."
Those who would claim the esteemed title of Rules Lawyer had better be prepared to back their $@%# up.
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I have a question that is of a similar nature and so I'm going to pose it here rather then add a new thread. Can other attack actions be made as attacks of opportunity, or is this limited to standard attacks? It makes sense to be able to use a standard attack action(for example to trip or grab someone as they run past you), but I know that it is also a game and sometimes things that make RL sense are bypassed for simplicity of the rules.
I mean if you don't have improved trip and you try and trip someone as they run by technically they would get an AoO on you first. Then things could just get silly when two people with Combat Reflexes go at it... Hmm...
Anyway, I got off track there but in using the original posters example as my question, could the dervish PC have made a trip attempt against 'X' to stop him rather then a normal attack for his AoO?
I have a question that is of a similar nature and so I'm going to pose it here rather then add a new thread. Can other attack actions be made as attacks of opportunity, or is this limited to standard attacks? It makes sense to be able to use a standard attack action(for example to trip or grab someone as they run past you), but I know that it is also a game and sometimes things that make RL sense are bypassed for simplicity of the rules.
Yes, you can use things like trip, disarm, sunder, etc on a grapple. In fact, Trip and Disarm are both wonderful options - because they often make what the target was going to do a moot point. Bad guy getting ready to run away? Trip him. Big, bruising warrior charging through your threatened area preparing to slice the mage in half? Disarm him. :)
I mean if you don't have improved trip and you try and trip someone as they run by technically they would get an AoO on you first. Then things could just get silly when two people with Combat Reflexes go at it... Hmm...
This is also correct. Resolve them all in a LIFO (Last In, First Out) method.
So call me a rules lawyer if you will.
You have to earn it first. :)
I did not grow stern, I simply pointed out that when I dm in my game, where he is a pc, I use the rules in that way. And i the course of more than a year he never brought it up as a problem... So it seemed to me that this was how i was meant to work.
It's not a problem in your game - your the DM and if AoO work differently then the rules - well so be it.
That said when its his game then it's by his rules.