Downer help: non-evil level drainers


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I'm working on a Downer related project, and I need a little research help. Can anyone point me to some potent, non-evil, (preferably good,) creatures that can deal negative levels, or heavy-duty ability damage? I don't tend to play magic users. Are there many high level spells that would give a PC teh ability to do the same? To cut right to it, how can you have multiple levels permenantly drained? Thanks.

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Kyle Hunter wrote:
I'm working on a Downer related project, and I need a little research help. Can anyone point me to some potent, non-evil, (preferably good,) creatures that can deal negative levels, or heavy-duty ability damage? I don't tend to play magic users. Are there many high level spells that would give a PC teh ability to do the same? To cut right to it, how can you have multiple levels permenantly drained? Thanks.

The most hard-core way to have levels permanently drained is to die multiple times and be resurrected/raised from the dead each time. You can pretty much fix with magic any other kind of level draining.


Kyle Hunter wrote:
I'm working on a Downer related project, and I need a little research help. Can anyone point me to some potent, non-evil, (preferably good,) creatures that can deal negative levels, or heavy-duty ability damage? I don't tend to play magic users. Are there many high level spells that would give a PC teh ability to do the same? To cut right to it, how can you have multiple levels permenantly drained? Thanks.

You're not going to find many good aligned creatures that drain levels. This is because it's almost always an ability tied to negative energy and that's almost always associated with evil. As for spells that bestow negative levels, those wear off in hours. I don't have the books with me, but I think the shadow dragon from Forgotten Realms has level draining breath weapon. The dragon is evil, but a half-dragon template creature would have the same ability and could be applied to any good creature.

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James Jacobs wrote:
The most hard-core way to have levels permanently drained is to die multiple times and be resurrected/raised from the dead each time. You can pretty much fix with magic any other kind of level draining.

That would actually do the trick perfectly! Thanks James. I wasn't thinking about the inherant connection between losing levels and Negative Energy.

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