MM 3 Level Adjustments


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Has anyone else found huge problems with the Level Adjustments in Monster Manual 3?

I was looking through, and I generally have no problems with the statistics or numbers involved. However, the MM3, which is a great book, has some serious issues when it comes to level adjustment. Compare what any one of these things would be with one class level to a similar level character of a standard race.

For example:

How about +14 Str, + 6 Con, 8d8 HD, 3 feats, two bonus feats, +2 AC, for only +3? Skullcrusher Ogre! It seems to me a 1st Level Skullcrusher fighter would have more hp, a much Higher strength, more feats, more AC, and better abilites than a level 4 human fighter, by far!

This is pretty common throughout the book. I think several of them, like the Nycter and Lizrdfolk, are ok, but there are a bunch, like the Rakshasa, that are ridiculous. Anybody else pick upon that?

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Luke Fleeman wrote:

Has anyone else found huge problems with the Level Adjustments in Monster Manual 3?

I was looking through, and I generally have no problems with the statistics or numbers involved. However, the MM3, which is a great book, has some serious issues when it comes to level adjustment. Compare what any one of these things would be with one class level to a similar level character of a standard race.

For example:

How about +14 Str, + 6 Con, 8d8 HD, 3 feats, two bonus feats, +2 AC, for only +3? Skullcrusher Ogre! It seems to me a 1st Level Skullcrusher fighter would have more hp, a much Higher strength, more feats, more AC, and better abilites than a level 4 human fighter, by far!

This is pretty common throughout the book. I think several of them, like the Nycter and Lizrdfolk, are ok, but there are a bunch, like the Rakshasa, that are ridiculous. Anybody else pick upon that?

Remember that ECL adds to a creature's hit dice. A skullcrusher ogre is therefore with his 8 HD and his +3 ECL, the equal (in theory) to an 11th level fighter, not a 4th level fighter.


James Jacobs wrote:

Remember that ECL adds to a creature's hit dice. A skullcrusher ogre is therefore with his 8 HD and his +3 ECL, the equal (in theory) to an 11th level fighter, not a 4th level fighter.

Actually, it would be a 12th-level fighter (8 levels giant + 1 level fighter, +3 ECL = 12). Just to be picky.


Oh crap.

My bad.

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