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I knew Hei Feng had the title of Duke of Thunder, but when I read about Ranginori in Rage of the Elements, he was also given that title. I thought, at first, it was a reasonable typo, considering Hshurha was the Duchess of All Winds, but if they both lay claim to the same duchy, I wonder how they get along together.
I expect they can co-exist peacefully and share their title, but they're probably ambivalent about each other.
That almost definitely slipped in because "Duke of Thunder" is such a cool title. Even so, considering that Ranginori was only released from imprisonment a few years ago, it's likely he's not even aware of any one specific god using the same title as him... and depending how cosmic Hei Feng's reach is, it's possible Ranginori may never have a reason to become aware of him, unless maybe Hei Feng's realm is on the plane of air somewhere and he's going around boasting about his title.
On the flipside, while Hei Feng is a major deity in the pantheon of an entire continent, Ranginori seems only to have a small, dedicated cult, so it's possible none of their worshippers have ever had occasion to interact. ...And in any case, it seems like Zephyrous Prince is Ranginori's primary title.
That said, speaking of how they might get along if they were to meet, I suspect that Hei Feng is not of a temperament to overlook somebody else boasting the same title as him. Meanwhile, Ranginori seems like one who might be circumspect enough not to bring it up, if he noticed. Either way, I forsee it inexplicably ending in an ill-advised drinking bender and no bad blood between them.
Ultimately, I think Hei Feng would start some trouble if he realized but I would guess Ranginori might be more powerful. Ranginori probably wouldn't care much about both using the same title, and would probably find a way to peacefully resolve it.
It might be as simple as Ranginori saying, "Well you can be the Duke of Thunder, I'll be *blank*"
Or maybe a suggestion that Hei Fong adopt a different title (as Hei Fong is a Tian deity, a Chinese or Japanese noble title might make sense).
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This reminds me of the various personal injury lawyers who go by the Hammer in their ads.
There's plenty of real-life cases of rulers having similar titles. I say keep it.
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They could do the funniest thing and introduce even more Dukes of Thunder... Mostly because 'Hei Feng and the Dukes of Thunder' sounds like a wicked band.
"You can be Duke of Thunder."
"Thanks. How magnanimous of you. What'll we call you?"
"Prince of Thunder."
"What? Well then I'm King of Thunder!"
"Emperor of Thunder!"
"GOD of Thunder!"
"Wait...we're already gods of thunder."
"Just like Rull, Mhar, and Cixyron."
"I'm so confused."
Joke aside, AoN lists Ranginori as The Zephyrous Prince so it seems the matter's already been rectified.
My vote would be to retitle Hei Feng to Da Shu, which means Big Uncle in Chinese. Or maybe Big Thunder Uncle.
For some reason the imagery of Hei Feng being a drunk and disorderly ruffian type who's not intentionally bad, but often has bad ideas that annoy those around him gives off big irresponsible uncle vibes.
Honestly, he kind of reminds me of the "mythical" character of Zhang Fei in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, who was a drunken boor, until he found purpose in Liu Bei's cause.
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the answer to me is simple both can be dukes of thunder. I don't see a problem with it.
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the answer to me is simple both can be dukes of thunder. I don't see a problem with it.
It worked for Bo & Luke.
Or maybe a suggestion that Hei Fong adopt a different title (as Hei Fong is a Tian deity, a Chinese or Japanese noble title might make sense).
To be fair, the title of Duke has a pretty solid equivalent in Chinese, with the rank of Gong regularly translating to Duke in English, with the famous example being Duke Wen of Zhou.
Or maybe a suggestion that Hei Fong adopt a different title (as Hei Fong is a Tian deity, a Chinese or Japanese noble title might make sense).To be fair, the title of Duke has a pretty solid equivalent in Chinese, with the rank of Gong regularly translating to Duke in English, with the famous example being Duke Wen of Zhou.
Yes, but no. It very much depends on what era of Imperial China you're referring to. I think there were at least 3 different peerage systems with different titles. But one of the systems did use Gong as an equivalent to what was called a Duke in European peerage systems.
Fair point, mostly just trying to say that the title of Duke of Thunder still fits in an East Asian cultural context without a need for change, as well as sounding so damn cool.
Plus, plenty of real-world religions have overlapping titles and appellations for their divine figures, so why wouldn't Golarion have those as well?
Fair point, mostly just trying to say that the title of Duke of Thunder still fits in an East Asian cultural context without a need for change, as well as sounding so damn cool.
Plus, plenty of real-world religions have overlapping titles and appellations for their divine figures, so why wouldn't Golarion have those as well?
I mean, I think it's not without reason to say you wouldn't expect to find 2 Dukes of Thunder, or at least for there to be so enmity.
Having one be "Duke of Thunder" and one be "Léitíng gōngjué" (Thunder Duke) despite being equivalent, are different titles.
All the same, this was more of a joke thread.