Silas Vekker

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It's hard to playtest without all the rules available. The bestiary seems an important part of this process, at least a sample one.


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You don't get feats at birth. You get them when yourcharacter becomes level one. That means, that your character had to become a human first, grow up and become an adventurer, and THEN learn how to become a half-orc.
Or half-elf.
No other race has to pay for being the race they are by spending a feat to become that race.
Does a Dwarf take a Dwarf feat to become a Dwarf? No.
Does an Elf, a Goblin, a Halfling? No.
The half-breeds are being penalized for having a mixed heritage.
Basically, someone got lazy and couldn't come up with enough initial feats to create s complete race, so they dreamed up this bonehead idea to beat a deadline.
Half-Orc only get one ancestry feat, because the other four are technically Orc feats, and Half-elves only two. All other races get ten to choose from, except humans who get only nine actual choices (unless you're suggesting a half-orc-elf), and that last choice between which half-breed you want to be, actually reduces humans to eight overall.

Just yo make sure you understand, let me quote from the book:
"You can create a half-elf [half-orc] character by selecting the Half-Elf [Half-Orc] human ancestry feat at 1st level."

This goes on to state:

"This gives you access to elf and half-orc [orc and half-orc] ancestry feats..."

We already know these breeds have limited feats to choose from. The argument will, undoubtedly, be made that this will open the Elf and Orc feats as well, but their are only four Orc feats so big deal, and the Elves don't have to jump through these hoops to get them in the first place. Also, why make a half-elf so you can pick from elf or human lists only. Both of these half-breed races have a long and full heritage in fantasy literature and roleplay. Why are they not entitled to have their own feats?

And since you brought it up, yes, it is also ignorant to have to wait until level five to be able to see through the eyes you've had since birth. Eyes tend to get worse with age, not better.


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Ok, that's just dumb. When you are born of two half-orc or one human and one orc, or one human and one half-orc, or one half-orc and one orc (I think that about covers it), you are born a HALF-ORC!
You don't grow up and learn how to become a half-orc.
This goes for half-elves as well!

Straighten this out. Eliminate that stupid (yep, I said stupid) half-breed by feat idea and flesh out these races.
Here's a thought. Add some originality. There's no reason you could not become a half-dwarf, half-gnome, or half-goblin either.

Please fix this. It was the very first eye-catcher in the rules and it's a BIGGIE!


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Jim Sharples wrote:

She looked at me and asked “what the hell does that even mean?”. No idea, probably something related to attacks of opportunity was my guess. I wasn’t even sure where to go looking.

She lost interest immediately.

We spent nearly an hour trying to do this, jumping around to look things up, using the PDF (our books haven’t arrived).

We discussed the whole thing with my son, and he basically rolled his eyes. This is the one who breaks the game with clever, essentially min maxing, so he loves systems and he said “sounds like too much work for the fun after”.

We are bowing out. Good luck Paizo, we love your APs and will keep playing them for years to come, but PF is not for us.

I get it. I really do, but the problem lies in the fact that not one of those games you've listed has a decent book. Not one!

D&D's editors have gotten so bad over the years that the first thing I do when I get a new book is go through and make my own index. White Wolf's World of Darkness doesn't even know what an index is and has no concept of a proper table of contents. Iron Kingdom, Star Wars - no better. The worst of it is, we're talking about finished concept works here. I could make a mint if just one of these companies would let me write their index and/or tables of contents.

I'm having issues with the playtest book as well, and it sounds like we're not alone, but that's no reason to quit. Muscle up, give it a good try, and if your stuck, well, you obviously know where to come for answers.

I will be adding quite a few questions as well as ssuggestions myself. I'm sure, (ok, granted, sure is a bit loose here) that next year's release edition will have more of these things worked out. That's what the PT version is for, pointing out the bonehead stuff.