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The Tattooed Sorcerer relaying on using charm, dominate, and such spells - along with charisma, Rakasha-Spawn (Beastbrood) be a good tiefling heritage for this? I was thinking Kyton-Spawn originally and I ruled out Devil-spaen because the negative to charisma.

I understand cohorts and followers, but is this good with the build just because of the charisma, or is there something else I am not seeing?

If Tattooed is a no go I would definitely go Daemon, I'm getting ready to build one soon as a back up character.

Either is allowed separately, but not together. I will probably be using Tattooed Sorcerer.

Personally, I'd go Infernal, but I enjoy controlling and manipulating more than blasting. I think WOTW doesn't do a point buy, but you start with a 17 or 18 stat. Assuming 17 a Tiefling with Spell Focus (Enchantment) and Infernal Sorcery would be rocking an 19 DC charm person at level 1, with a +5 to charisma for the purpose of commanding people you controlled. Average NPC Cha. modifier will be between -1 and +1. By level 5 or 6 you should be rocking a +10 or so (Charisma 20 now+ infernal sorcery + Circlet of persuasion + Headband of cha +2 [5+1+3+1 = 10] and npcs Charisma modifier will largely still be in the -1 - +1. I am basing this off AP's and PFS, but I would imagine WOTW won't be too much different. You'll have charm monster pretty close to then too, which for you will probably be stronger than dominate.

Not sure what it says in the actual book, but we have been told to do a 25 point buy. And this does seem awesome. I have never played an enchantment focused or manipulating character, but it could certainly be interesting.

Then you take leadership

I have next to no experience with the leadership feat. How is this helping with this? This is probably a "well, duh!" answer coming.

I talked with my DM/GM and he will not allow the Tattooed Sorcerer and Crossblooded stack (whether it is, or isn't, against the rules). So, thats out.

Looking at bloodlines I think I am down to either Abyssal, Daemon, or Infernal. All look decent, for the most part. Anyone have some thoughts on which would be better?

Similar to my other post for Sorcerer, I am also working on a Master Summoner for a Way of the Wicked game (I am thinking of giving my group the choice of which PC they would prefer in the group).

So, I would greatly appreciate any help my fellow gamers would be willing to give me on building this game.

25 point buy
Level 1
Summoner - Master Summoner Archetype
Race is open (although I like tiefling, and the various heritages, it is not a must)
Worshiping Asmodeus, or possibly another high ranking devil
This character would be the only arcane in the group (fighter, druid, undead lord cleric, rogue (probably melee), and alchemist is the rest of the party)

What about the Daemon Bloodline?

It looks like an interesting bloodline to me, and possibly a fun one.

Luckily, Crossblooded and Tattooed stack too!

Has there been an offical ruling on this? Everything I find seems to say it is not allowed by RAW. Individual DMs may allow it in home games, but nothing offical.

Looking around at somethings for Sorcerer, I thought of something. Would Tattooed Sorcerer Archetype and possible Abyssal Bloodline work for this? Tattooed Sorcerer gives a familiar (which I think I can turn into an inp with Imp. Familiar feat and replaces the Abyssal's claws bloodline power (not a big deal to me), and replaces some of the Abyssal ones I don't think are that big of a deal. Opinions?

So, its probably useful in WOTW. Its pretty good in a regular game anyway. If I was going to play WOTW and I wasn't going Anti-Paladin (I have a really good Anti-Paladin build I'd like to try someday) I would most certainly make a Sorcerer/Diabolist.

Thanks for the info. What bloodline would you guys suggest? Any template (crossblooded or wildblooded)?

[qoute=Under A Bleeding Sun]Oh, AND its WOTW! Asmodeus is your man in that one! That means this also drips with flavor. I also have a feeling you can get more use out of its capstone in that campaign than probably any other out there!

I do love the PrC for it's flavor. However, is the PrC useful - especially in Way of the Wicked.

I will, however, say this. If you make a wizard with the Familiar Arcane Bond, and then take the Improved familiar feat, to get an Imp familiar, you get to have 2 Imps, one on each shoulder, that can advice you, and whisper hellish corruption in your ears. One is loyal to you, one is loyal to hell.

I'd argue that this makes it useful, for its flavour value alone. Especially in Way of the Wicked :)

I agree that this is a great idea and full of flavor. Heck, the PrC fits theme and flavor.

Is the Diabolist a "good" PrC? I know it gives advantages to bindings, and some hellfire. However, are the other abilities good to use? Will it be useful in a campaign (in this case Way of the Wicked)?

Is wizard or sorcerer better for this?

Is your rogue melee or ranged?

I don't know for sure, but I think melee.

If Orc's or half-orcs are available I'd go for a scarred witch-doctor with high Con for cool flavor and good surviability.

I have thought of this, however I am not sure I like still having to use Int for bonus spells.

So is anyone following the advice to players of "be Lawful Evil" and "Worship Asmodeus?" I see the two Divines aren't.

I will be, not sure about the others. The druid went with Zon-Kuthon because he is still an evil deity that does have druids who worship him. The cleric needed the death domain, so he took one of the archdukes so he would still beholden to Asmodeus.

Hello everyone.

In about a week and a half I will finally get to play in a Way of the Wicked game. I have been looking forward to getting to play in this campaign for quite some time. I know, fairly well know, what my group is going to consist of and the arcane department has fallen to me. However, I would love to get some advice from everyone here on what they think might be the best way to go.

Other Party Members:

Human (I think) Druid - NE, worshiper of Zon-Kuthon, and has the Shades of the Uskwood feat.
Human Undead Lord Cleric worshiping one of the Archdukes of hell (don't remember which).
Alchemist (unknown race)
Melee type (probably fighter, race unknown)
Rogue (race unknown)

I have several concepts:

Sorcerer Crossblodded Infernal and Abyssal going to Diabolist
Summoner - Master Summoner Archetype
Wizard going towards Diabolist
Witch - Gravewalker
Magus

Anyone have any opnions? Any other concept suggestions - class and race?

I will soon be getting to play Way of the Wicked soon. I don't know what everyone else is playing yet. However, I have several concepts and was wondering if I could get everyone's opinions on whether they would work in this campaign (given that the group is basically Asmodeus aligned).

1) Cleric - Fiendish Vessel of one of the Horsemen.

2) Cleric - Undead Lord

3) A Tielfing of either a daemon bloodline or demon bloodline (but nor Chaotic Evil. Either NE or LE)

Thanks, I appreciate the information.

In Way of the Wicked book 5 on page 84 is the Path of the Vampire. A feat progression to become a vampire instead of the template - in other words, slowly becoming a vampire.

Has anyone used this? What do you think? If I have PCs bitten by a vampire, and provide the Bitten feat free is this fair to PCs? If they want to get to the full template, the fastest they could do it is level 12. By doing this they would be using every optional feat slot until after that point. Is this railroading the players to much?

Thsnks for the response, I appreciate it. I wasn't entirely sure if the religion angle could still be kept in there, and even using the contract still - or some form of it. I am still wanting to keep the Lawful Evil aspect.

Zura is a great idea, except the chaotic part. Have to think on that.

In Book 4 of the Way of the Wicked adventure path it talks about making the Cardinal a Vampire and making the PCs vampires. Instead of making it a land ruled by Asmodeus, it is to be vampire ruled.

Would the Cardinal still be a Cleric of Asmodeus or something else?

Anyone run this variant of the campaign yet? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions about this variant idea?

I finally am able to start playing in PFS, and they take out the class/archetype I wanted to play the most. Ah, well.

Anyone thought of using Fumeiyoshi as the deity for an Undead Lord? What would be your opinions about it?

For those that play an Undead Lord what faction are you apart of?

I am glad to see that the Undead Lord Archetype is allowed. However, is it one that is only allowed once you get it from playing a certain scenario (like some races are)?

Is there anyone playing, or wanting to play, Pathfinder Society in or around Portland, Oregon?

I am considering startng my new group out with this adventure/module. I hav no problems with starting ne characters of at higher levels than first. However, I am still trying to figure out how to get the PCs together for this adventure. They may not all know one another, and may not all be from the same area, or hold the same allegiance. Any ideas on how to bring the group together, and get into the adventure?

This may not be the best place to ask this, but I didn't see any place better. My question is kind of world general (any world). In the game I am running I am thinking of giving the PCs, at the completion of the current adventure they are doing (and I will continue the game beyond this adventure) rewarding them with a land grant and titles. I have tried to research this and have found very little useful information. How would you handle coontinuing the adventures after the PCs get this? How would you handle the PCs and thier lands and titles? Any help, and advice would be appreciated.