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So, update. I chatted with player three last night. I apologized (and I think this is the core) for taking sh*t too seriously. We initially spoke of the game and listed, quite painfully, transgressions that were perceived and factual. I think he and I are good on a social level, not fixed, but good. I think I can pull off a mental reset with him. In talking with him I realized there was nothing I could tell him to change that I am also not guilty of. Future talks will tell if he took into consideration anything I said. I didn't really get that vibe though.

In-game, there are things I want to accomplish. There are genres that I am very interested in. The other's aren't. I get that. Player 3 is incapable of feigning interest. And that sounds bad I know. And the only reason why I mention that is that I have embraced his interests. I have tried some things of his and he has influenced me. When I try to share, I'm shot down immediately. Again, these are the personal issues that are affecting my attitude. Going back to in-game, I live with the knowledge that I will never get to try the things that interest me. Even if I try to port them in, it's seen by player three as time wasting fluff and he'll relentlessly push the game forward. I treasure story, setting, lore. That's my game. That's what was being taken away from me in Vince's discussion that started this whole mess. I need to know the sky is blue, the Chalaxians are who they say they are, that space is deadly without a spacesuit. We are all products of our environment, my characters are no different.

I like to play Dwarfs, they are a proud industrious race who drink a lot, eat a lot, war a lot, and accomplish a lot. OMG, being able to play that and be a part of that is my cup of tea. I'm was playing a Dwarf Pirateer in the last game. We're technically pirates, but I'm not an evil dude. I like movies where evil loses in the end. I hate scary movies, I hate tragic movies, I like where good wills out. That's how I play. So am I incapable of playing a evil dude? I say yes. Am I incapable of playing a neutral dude? Again, probably yes.

And maybe I missed the signs.... In our mid-week discussions, we always talk about player 3's interaction. Vince and P3 hang out long after I leave the game at the end of the session. I am naturally curious as to if P3 had any comments or issues. What scenarios could be devised to help him get his need for progress while still giving lore, etc.

When this week's discussion kicked off with a statement that the next game is not going to have any lore, or any setting and that I cannot play my play style because I'm an arrogant a*$+&%*, I was a bit taken back. Discussions up till now have been about P3's needs in a game and how to temper it, empower it in a RP way, or how to redirect it. I took this immediate shift as a personal attack against me. I reference back to my third sentence above.

I have other character concepts that I have interest in. Not all are arrogant, it really depends on the setting which I choose. My Halfling? My human? My Elf? My Ratkin? What is the world I will be interacting with? Medieval, modern, future? But now I am told that I, me, am an arrogant a!+%!#% and I better make sure I play something else... Well, f*ck off. I respond to attacks with attacks. I respond to negotiation with negotiation. I respond to reason with reason. I am a pretty straight forward guy. I am also tactful, if I feel I might offend a friend or stranger, I keep it to myself. I am mindful of the personal choices we each make, even though I don't agree and in some cases, I rage internally at them.

There are external influences too that I have a hard time leaving at the door. In fact, I dare say they only come through the door. I've helped P3 IRL moving and such, we get along great. I've helped Vince IRL, we get along great. I am fortunate to be in a position to help my friends when they need it. It's only at the table where I feel I am due some consideration that I feel I am getting short-ended. Of course, I don't ask for these things when I help out. I don't say "sure, I'll do this, but I expect that in return." But in truth, I do expect something.... Again, mindful of my friends, their hardships, their hobbies, the only real way to do that is at the table. I've worked very hard in my life to ensure that when sh*t goes wrong, I have a plan in place so it doesn't affect me. I lie awake at night worrying because of the things I cannot plan for, the death of one of my children for example. I have no contingency, I have no plan... I know this is kinda "duh" but it drives me nuts. So at the table, I feel like I put up with a lot that I shouldn't have to. Going back to the thing about me keeping it to myself. Well, it was affecting my attitude and I wasn't realizing it.

I'm not going to apologize for myself anymore than I already have. But I think I have identified a lot of my problems and I will be working on them. I'm the don't worry be happy kinda guy, but not many realize it's a facade to hide the things I do worry about.

So, I hope I can salvage my friendships here, Lord knows I'll need them as some large events are taking shape in my real life. But, I do think I also need a break from the table. I've hid from real life more than I should so it might be time to buckle down and take care of some sh*t.

Thanks to everyone for their opinions and patience as we brought our soul searching to the public.

Considering we have a very small table. Me, the other guy, my son, and Vince being the DM, there isn't a lot of separation. And he's right, we generally get through game sessions unscathed. And it isn't even a face to face discussion where these things come out. Christ, had I known our IM discussions were this taxing on you, I wouldn't have been bringing them up. I only ever meant good things so you understood me better and both of us being experienced gamers, could help the other two, who aren't, find their ways. My son is a good example of someone who is progressing well. The other is stuck in MMO world. More gear, more loot, more for me sort of thing....

If it takes uninstalling the IM application we use and keeping the game to game day, then so be it. I think it goes deeper than that though. There are still underlying issues between my playstyle and the other guy. Both are legit, but so far, both are also mutually exclusive by virtue of these post-game conversations.

The tragically funny thing is, the other guy and myself haven't had a sit-down over this (yet). I'm trying to, but we are both very busy outside of our game night. I don't know if it'll save the table, but maybe it'll save our friendship.

Hi all! I am the player in question here. There are some details left out that I think need to be said at this point. I do play proud arrogant races, Dwarfs and Wolfen, etc. But I also play good alignments, I play the hero, the self-sacrificing to save innocents hero.

Our table is small, the other major player is a power gamer who would rather sit on his laurels and conduct a hoard of minions to do his bidding. If he can avoid it. he'd rather not get his hands dirty. So he rails against me because I am always getting into the fray and because he has to play characters that rely on no-one but himself, he's not particularly good at any one thing so I get blamed for getting him into trouble all the time.

So I am being told I cannot play what I want to play, where I want to play it, and how I want it to be played. I might as well hand my character sheet off to the others.

It's also important to point out that this other player did not have a thread started against him to discuss his playstyle.

I am reaching out to the other player now to try to work out our differences, but at this time we've disbanded.

Thank you!

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Would the feat Two-Weapon Fighting be applicable to one-handed firearms? Not talking about reloading, those rules are pretty well defined. I'm asking if I have two pistols ready to fire, can I apply the two-weapon fighting feat?

"Two-Weapon Fighting (Combat)

Normal: If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light."

Due to the GM nerf, any feat that assists me in resolving my attack to touch AC is useless.

Would a cross-classing with Fighter (and thus all the Fighter's feats) be more beneficial now? I was on the fence about cross-classing as it is the jack-of-all-trades syndrome, but now I need to get more out of the character (even thinking stopping Gunslinger at L3 and continuing on with Fighter or maybe even Rogue....

So yeah, it's been about a year since I played Pathfinder and have certainly never played a Gunslinger before. I had a vague plan but was hit with a GM decreed nerf on day one so now I need to shift gears and compensate. Advice on squeezing every ounce of viability out of this race/class would be appreciated.

Dwarf Gunslinger
Str 12, Dex 17, Con 16, Int 13, Wis 15, Cha 8.
I'm not looking to be a sneaky/hidey Dwarf Gunslinger. If anything my vision is more in line with a Dwarf Engineer from Warhammer.
My initial weapon is a pistol.
First feat is Rapid Reload (pistol).
I could also use two traits as well.
The campaign is Skull & Shackles (and I haven't read ahead).

He made the decision to use DR after I made mine to play a gunslinger and I didn't know about the DR decision until after I made my character.

I'm on the fence as to whether to make a new character or to meta every ounce out of my gunslinger now. I used to be his DM and he argued all sorts of concessions out of me, but now that the table has turned, there's no quid pro quo.

There was no discussion as to how OP the gunslinger was to preclude this, he did the DR change in an effort to curb the HP to power ratio of the general escalation of the game.

Thanks for all the opinions guys. I feel better knowing that the forums are as divided on this as my table is. :)

So we just started a new campaign last night. I am playing a Gunslinger (because guns and wanted to see if it's as OP as people say). My DM decided to use the optional rule that turns armor AC into DR instead. The part I need your opinion on is he didn't make any adjustment for my firearms, the full armor DR applies to my firearm attacks.

Now, one of the things about firearms is they ignore armor and shield AC as long as I'm within the first range increment. I feel that he has nerfed my character because the DR figure applies to firearm attacks. I believe a firearm attack should ignore the DR provided by armor as long as it is within the first range increment.

From the PRD:
"Range and Penetration: Armor, whether manufactured or natural, provides little protection against the force of a bullet at short range.

Advanced Firearms: Advanced firearms resolve their attacks against touch AC when the target is within the first five range increments, but this type of attack is not considered a touch attack for the purposes of feats such as Deadly Aim. At higher range increments, the attack resolves normally, including taking the normal cumulative –2 penalty for each full-range increment. Advanced firearms have a maximum range of 10 range increments."

So, what does the community think? Am I overreacting in thinking that my character is unjustly nerfed or am I justified in insisting my DM allow firearm attacks ignore armor? Thanks.

So, I'm a Dwarf nut. I LOVE Dwarfs. I'm more of a fan of Warhammer Dwarfs, but the Pathfinder Dwarfs have potential...

Anyways, is there a particularly Dwarfy Adventure Path I can try to convince my DM to run? Thanks.

The portable hole is for the clockwork servant to repair the goliath.

I have been pretty open about allowing my players to do anything and everything allowed by the rules in the books. The thing that I cannot stand is how they always find every loophole and cover every option... I allowed the goliath because they presented an argument that it would be hindered by it's size. So I said ok. When it came to purchase said mega beastie, lo and behold, they had a way to circumvent it's limitations...

I am definitely looking for ward to being a player again and to use their tactics against them...

It depends on how they utilize the thing if I will kill it I guess.... I'll keep that in mind. Was also thinking about a rust monster or equivalent spells.

Oh, btw, they were sure to also buy a clockwork servant and a portable hole to put it in to keep it out of danger....

So, my group is going through the RR setting and they are close to finishing it. They have bought a Clockwork Goliath and have it all figured out to squeeze it where it cannot go, etc....

I have allowed most anything in the rules to get by because otherwise I get bogged down in logic bomb discussions that I no longer have the patience for... And this will be the last time I DM this group.

Should I allow my players their easy button to get through this game as quickly as possible so I can get out of the DM chair even faster? Or should I uphold the spirit of the game, tough it out till the end?

Should I look for ways to kill this 300,000 GP monstrosity and teach them a lesson in waste and whatnot, or should I no longer care and let them lay waste to the rest of the campaign?

I can see where they are coming from. I like the updates and changes they made from the individuals to the RR hardcover too though. I just like the shiny hardcovers more than the paperbacks.... Ah well, maybe in the future they will reconsider a release. Thanks.

Sorry if this has been asked, I tried looking through the message boards but my eyes started to bleed.

Are there any plans to make the other adventure paths into hardcover editions? I LOVE the Rise of the Runelords hardcover and would buy them all if available. Thanks!