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I just ran this encounter and it went quite well. Gogmurt popped in and out of the brambles using stealth and his produce flame wand to get flat footed touch attacks while out of their reach in the tunnels. They had to think and use strategy to cope with the situation which they did first by the sorcerer readying a fairy fire spell and then hideous laughter and everyone working to get to a more open area where they could deal with the threat.

They then questioned him. He blamed everything on Nualia and begged the PCs just to kill the evil longshanks and none of the goblins. They agreed and asked how they could find Nualia and avoid the other goblins so he gave them directions on how to walk right to were she most likely was was avoiding the goblin chief. They then let Gogmurt go. So far they have done exactly what they agreed to and Gogmurt is extremely grateful that the adventurers he so feared have come but are not killing him and all his friends.

Also remember that flying up at greater than a 45 degree angle is a DC 20 fly check. If your a Strinx (fly 60') with a medium or heavy load your speed goes to 40'. If you succeed on a grapple check you can move half which is 20'. If you make the fly check you can fly straight up (accension is half speed) 10'. If you fail it you can move up 5' and horizontally 5' or 10'. It will take you a long time to get 200' in the air even if you have Rapid Grapple and are making 3 grapple checks per round.

A Garrote would not help. That only provides the additional choke option

With Rapid Grappler and Greater Grapple you get to make three grapple checks and should be able to move have your speed with all of them

You cannot fly easily while you have the grappled condition. You have to wait until the turn after the grapple was initiated then if you make your grapple check you can move have your movement(whatever your vertical movement is with all the extra wight) and he will get a free attempt to break free at +4.

Move: You can move both yourself and your target up to half your speed. At the end of your movement, you can place your target in any square adjacent to you. If you attempt to place your foe in a hazardous location, such as in a wall of fire or over a pit, the target receives a free attempt to break your grapple with a +4 bonus.

If you are still in control of the grapple you can release it as a free action once you reach your desired height

So, a greataxe (12 lbs) is only a Tiny item when hurled? And a suit of chainmail (40 lbs) would count as a small item?

A greataxe is a tiny item but is a medium weapon meaning it is a weapon designed to a medium creature to wield and does damage as such however it is itself tiny so that if it falls on you from a height and the blade does not hit you it will deal the damage of a tiny item (being nothing). If that chainmail falls on you it will count as small and deal 2d6 (more if it falls from really high I believe). At least that is my reading. The chart for the size to weight is at http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLitt leCreaturesInCombat by the way and I was using 157 lb/cubic foot for the density so we agree there. Water is 62.5 lb/cubic foot.

Think I answered my own question. I found a chart from 3.5 srd that correlates weight to size "Assumes that the creature is roughly as dense as a regular animal. A creature made of stone will weigh considerably more. A gaseous creature will weigh much less." and stone is about 2.5x denser than water which is the primary ingredient in animals.

size /weight animal from chart / weight stone calculated by me by multiplying 2.5

Fine/ 1/8 lb. or less/ 5/16 pounds or less
Diminutive /1/8 lb. - 1 lb./ 5/16 pounds - 2.5 pounds
Tiny/ 1 lb. - 8 lb. / 2.5 lb - 22lb
Small/ 8 lb. - 60 lb. /22lb - 150lb
Medium/ 60 lb. - 500 lb. / 150lb to 1250 lb
Large / 500 lb. - 2 tons / 1250lb - 5 tons
Huge / 2 tons - 16 tons / 5 tons - 40 tons
Gargantuan/ 16 tons - 125 tons / 40 tons - 312.5 tons
Colossal / 125 tons or more / 312.5 tons or more

Thanks for the input but I think I answered my own question. I found a chart from 3.5 srd that correlates weight to size "Assumes that the creature is roughly as dense as a regular animal. A creature made of stone will weigh considerably more. A gaseous creature will weigh much less." and stone is about 2.5x denser than water which is the primary ingredient in animals.

size weight animal weight stone
from chart calculated by me
by multiplying 2.5

Fine 1/8 lb. or less 5/16 pounds or less
Diminutive 1/8 lb. - 1 lb. 5/16 pounds - 2.5 pounds
Tiny 1 lb. - 8 lb. 2.5 lb - 22lb
Small 8 lb. - 60 lb. 22lb - 150lb
Medium 60 lb. - 500 lb. 150lb to 1250 lb
Large 500 lb. - 2 tons 1250lb - 5 tons
Huge 2 tons - 16 tons 5 tons - 40 tons
Gargantuan 16 tons - 125 tons 40 tons - 312.5 tons
Colossal 125 tons or more 312.5 tons or more

Sorry for being unclear. I did not mean to imply that they would have a perfect cube on hand, was just using that as an example to demonstrate how heavy stone can get using that example because he wanted to hit all targets in a 15x15 square. I thought that the example was necessary to get to the important questions of upon which his concept depends.

1) do you think that this power allows you to throw things that are ridiculously heavy if you are the right size even it is way above the load you could normally lift or even push?

2) just how big does a stone or other dense material have to be to qualify as huge or small, medium, or large for that matter.

I'm pretty sure that as written it will only hit one target even though that is silly. I am wondering about those feats as well because a 15x15x15 stone would weigh over 400,000 pounds (3,375 cubic feet density of common stone in real life is about 150 pounds per cubic foot). Could one hurl it like the power says even if normally you couldn't dream of budging it? One possible explanation could be if the size descriptor (small, medium, large) took weight in addition to volume into account so that a medium stone would be one weighing 200-300lbs instead of one that was human sized (about 6' x 2' x 1' 1,800 pounds )

thoughts...

The two relevant barbarian powers to my primary question are

Hurling, Lesser (Ex): As a full-round action while raging, the barbarian can lift and hurl an object up to one size category smaller than herself with both hands or two size categories smaller with one hand as an improvised weapon with a range increment of 10 feet. This inflicts damage as a falling object plus the barbarian’s Strength bonus. This damage is halved if the object is not made of stone, metal, or similar material. This is a ranged touch attack, and the target may attempt a Reflex save (DC 10 + 1/2 the barbarian’s level + the barbarian’s Strength modifier) for half damage. The barbarian may apply Power Attack to this attack as a one- or two-handed weapon, as appropriate.

Hurling Charge (Ex): While raging and making a charge attack, the barbarian may draw and throw a hurled weapon during her charge, gaining the normal +2 attack roll bonus on the thrown weapon attack as well as on the melee attack at the end of the charge. The barbarian must move at least 10 feet before using a thrown weapon and at least 10 additional feet before making a melee attack at the end of her charge. The barbarian must have a thrown weapon in hand or have one hand free at the beginning of her charge. A barbarian must have the lesser hurling rage power to select this rage power. A barbarian must be at least 6th level to select this rage power.

To me this makes it sound as though a medium creature is suppose to be able to draw a small stone and throw it during a charge with these feats. The questions are how large is a "small" stone, how much it would one weigh and how practical it would be to have one slung at your side to be easily drawn?

It also gives the option of throwing tiny stones but then instead of dealing 2d6 plus str dmg it would deal only str damage since tiny stones deal no falling damage which would make the power pretty useless.

Also the hurling and greater hurling powers allow you to hurl objects of your size and one size category larger than you receptively which brings about the question of if you can hurl a rock that you cannot normally pick up if the power says you can (large stones have got to be heavy, 64 times heavier than I small stone I believe) and I'm not even going to try and consider hurling charge with larger than small stones.