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The rules on this are a bit confusing. This passage seems to say that Raising the buckler with a light, non-weapon object in that hand is allowed by default.

CRB, p. 277 wrote:

Buckler: This very small shield is a favorite of duelists and quick, lightly armored warriors. It’s typically made of steel and strapped to your forearm. You can Raise a Shield with your buckler as long as you have that hand free or are holding a light object that’s not a weapon in that hand.

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But this next passage from earlier on the same page makes it seem that Raising the buckler while holding a light, non-weapon in that hand requires special permission from the GM.

CRB, p. 277 wrote:

Raise a Shield is the action most commonly used with shields. Most shields must be held in one hand, so you can’t hold anything with that hand and Raise a Shield, and you lose its benefits if that hand is no longer free. A buckler, however, doesn’t take up your hand, so you can Raise a Shield with a buckler if the hand is free (or, at the GM’s discretion, if it’s holding a simple, lightweight object that’s not a weapon).

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I suspect you are looking at the first passage and thinking the GMs are overriding the default rules by disallowing this action, while they are looking at the second passage and don't think they should be overriding the default rules by allowing the action.

Thanks, I missed that. I hardly read the CRB anymore, I just build characters on pathbuilder, cross-referencing AON. It still feels bad but you have alleviated my indignation about it.

The entry for buckler reads: You can Raise a Shield with your buckler as long as you have that hand free or are holding a light object that’s not a weapon in that hand.

The entry for torch states that it is light bulk.

I would not normally post because this seems obvious to me but I have had my second PFS GM tell me that this does not work. I kind of built key portions of my character around it, i.e., human ancestry and swashbuckler buckler expertise.

I have been told that I need a shield sconce, which specifically excludes bucklers (likely because one can already wield a torch with a buckler). I have also been told that torches are improvised weapons so it cannot be used but everything could be an improvised weapon.

I do not intend für this to be a discussion. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. I admit that it is a pretty powerful combination. If I had darkvision, I would simply swap the torch out for a potion and always save myself an action for healing. The trade-off being that bucklers are nearly useless for the shield block reaction and only give one AC (or two if you have access to the feat). I think that this perceived power is what causes GMs to ban it because it seems too good to be true.

One of the best reasons to play PF2e over other systems is how concise the rules are compared to other systems. It pretty much functions like a series of if/then statements. If a torch is light and does not appear in the weapon category, then it can be used with a buckler and the raise a shield action.

Maybe someone else is aware of some super secret errata that proves me wrong but I doubt that. I know that it is unlikely to happen but until someone official weighs in or they add a [Weapon] tag to weapons, good GMs will continue to fall for this trap. I will have to shelve my swashy for now.