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3.5 - Ranged threat

prereqs - point blank shot, precise shot, Ranged flanking, bab +6

You may threaten opponents with a ranged weapon, within 30ft.

My DM might let me use Feats from 3.5 =)

My sad solution was to take Improved Feint, thinking Greater Feint might come in handy later... but I'd go for Ranged Flanking and then Ranged Threat, if he's cool with it =)

Thanks for the suggestion!

Really, everyone, thank you all for your help!

My character did great in combat this past Saturday. Striking targets from a great distance is fabulous =)

Rogue/wizard would allow for ranged sneak attack all over the place.

1) Cast something like grease, so that enemies are flat-footed.
2) Sneak attack at will.

There are two occasions when you get sneak attack, flanking is one of them.

That's a good idea =)

Is there an addendum to Grease somewhere that explains the flat-footed bit? The spell description I have isn't totally clear =|

10ft sq, 10 DC Reflex or fall, move make save, don't move not flat-footed.

So, if someone moves in/through the grease, they become flat-footed *and* have to make the save?

Meta-gamingly, not allowing a bow/crossbow to benefit from a flank is ridiculous =)

Just ask Legolas =P

Or that guy behind you with the gun whose buddy is in front of you with a knife.

Just sayin' ;)

Anyhow =)

I *really* appreciate all the help from everyone!

I'm going to load up Hero Lab and take another look.

You certainly threaten them, in that you've got a deadly weapon pointed at their face, but you don't actually 'threaten' them, which in game terms generally requires a melee weapon of some kind.

See, I look at something like PBM or Stabbing Shot and think 'Oh, yah! Definitely threatening. Definitely.'

I guess it's one of those game mechanics I'll have to accept?

[sigh]

Like I said, it's my 1st Rogue'ish bow-user, so I wanted to... well... game the system as much as possible =)

All my other friends do it, so I thought I'd give it a shot.

Now I'm thinking I should do something else =|

I've pretty much got a free character to throw in the 9th lvl slot. I want something Chaotic Neutral, so I figured a versatile ranged guy would be a nice change. I'm not used to making a character for the purpose of raining death upon my opponents. It's a new direction =P

So, if I can't work it, other than the Monk option, what would you all suggest?

I'm all ears for an unrealistic build or alteration =)

mdt:

I see.

Yes. I can understand that a person wouldn't threaten *until* they get PBM. I think once PBM hits the field, and AoO is taken out of the picture, that's pretty threatening =)

But, if I need to threaten them some other way (if my DM won't go for the PBM = threaten = Flank = Sneak equation), you think merely having armored spikes or Improved UA is enough to make the equation legal?

[thinks]

This character is important. I'm retiring my Paladin to soothe some gameplay conflict, and I want this new character to excel killing and not dying =P

I always play characters that have lots of issues, motivations, and conflict... but our game lends it self to a little more slay than that... so I want a character I can surprise people with =)

I'm willing to change him up to make it work!

I need help tweaking a character for a game tomorrow night. Won't you help a guy out?

Here's the 1st question:

A character with Point Blank Master can take a shot with a bow against someone who threatens them w/o provoking an attack of opportunity... so why wouldn't they

a) get the +2 Flank bonus (they don't have a hand-to-hand weapon, but I guarantee they threaten their opponent)

and

b) be able to Sneak Attack the enemy because they *do* threaten them because they don't provoke an an AoO and *should* get the Flank bonus?

Seriously.

It's my first bow-wielding character, and I'm really curious about this.

Flank specifically says engaged in melee as a requirement, but I can be face-to-face with you, engaged in combat, with a missile weapon... and I could totally get a Sneak on you if you were distracted by another person in real life.

Here's the follow-up info:

He's a 4th lvl Fighter, 5th lvl Rogue.

He has:

Improved Initiative
Iron Will
Improved Iron Will
Point Blank Shot
Point Blank Master
Precise Shot
Many Shot
Rapid Shot
Weapon Focus
Weapon Specialization

His Will is terrible. It's a 9 with the Iron Will bonus.

Stats are:

Str 16
Dex 20
Con 16
Int 14
Wis 14
Cha 13

All the normal skills (I assume) are maxed (Stealth, Acro, etc.)

I want him to be absolutely lethal, but I wanted a range attack that didn't suffer if I got close (hence Point Blank Master).

I just don't understand why, realistically, seriously, I wouldn't be able to Sneak, with a bow, while Flanking an enemy.

Suggestions?

Help?

=)