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You still can't charm a swarm because charm spells target a specific number of creatures. You would need Vermin Empathy or be dealing with a swam with a hive mind in order to control a swarm in any way.

looks like I'll have to wait till level 9 then thanks

So the pestilence bloodline says that vermin are susceptible to mind effects as though they were animals. With that in mind could I in anyway control a swarm from the summon swarm spell and similar spells? if so, how would it work? Would I use a diplomacy check keeping in mind that swarms from summon swarm have a very low or non existent intelligence? Would I use handle animal to "push" them? Do I need the "speak with animals" spell to communicate witH them? The bloodline seems to make this possible even giving you charm animal as yor first bloodline spell. But how would it work exactly?

Sonic Sorcerers weave magic through their voices.

Class Skill: Performance (Sing)

Bonus Spells: Sonic Sorcerors can cast spells with the sonic descriptor from any class. However, they cannot cast any spells without a vocal component.

Bonus Feats: whatever

Bloodline Arcana: Whenever you cast a spell with the sonic descriptor, treat your level as 1 higher

Bloodline powers:

Scream(sp): At first level, you can emit a powerful scream in a 15 feet cone that does 1d6 sonic damage for every 2 levels of sorcerer that you possess and deafens the target(s) for 1d4 rounds, save for half damage.

Mourning cry: At 3rd level your blood curdling howl causes fear to strike the heart of your opponents as per the spell cause fear but in a 15 ft cone.

Shattering scream: At 9th level your scream can shatter objects and does double damage to crystalline creatures as per the spell shatter. Furthermore, your voice can be used to tunnel through solid rock, gravel or sand up to 5ft thick.

Piercing scream: At 15th level you can target a single enemy with a ranged touch attack. This does 1d8 sonic damage per sorcerer level and nauseates the target for 1d6 rounds (save for nauseate).

Crushing Wail: At 20th level you can emit a horrific wail that acts as Wail of the Banshee

I think I would change the first level power to 1d4 bleed damage (ears bleeding from sound) per 3 caster levels after the first plus deafening.

The 15th I'd change to d6s instead of d8s

Hold on I might be wrong about scream being op, but I still think piercing scream is op

yea you may be right

Sonic Sorcerers weave magic through their voices.

Class Skill: Performance (Sing)

Bonus Spells: Sonic Sorcerors can cast spells with the sonic descriptor from any class. However, they cannot cast any spells without a vocal component.

Bonus Feats: whatever

Bloodline Arcana: Whenever you cast a spell with the sonic descriptor, treat your level as 1 higher

Bloodline powers:

Scream(sp): At first level, you can emit a powerful scream in a 15 feet cone that does 1d6 sonic damage for every 2 levels of sorcerer that you possess and deafens the target(s) for 1d4 rounds, save for half damage.

Mourning cry: At 3rd level your blood curdling howl causes fear to strike the heart of your opponents as per the spell cause fear but in a 15 ft cone.

Shattering scream: At 9th level your scream can shatter objects and does double damage to crystalline creatures as per the spell shatter. Furthermore, your voice can be used to tunnel through solid rock, gravel or sand up to 5ft thick.

Piercing scream: At 15th level you can target a single enemy with a ranged touch attack. This does 1d8 sonic damage per sorcerer level and nauseates the target for 1d6 rounds (save for nauseate).

Crushing Wail: At 20th level you can emit a horrific wail that acts as Wail of the Banshee

Sorry if someone mentioned this but there is also the feral gnasher goblin archetype. I have been thinking of making the equivelent of the "Tasmanian Devil"-just a whirlwind of bites and claws and Feral Gnasher seems closest.

Could anyone tell me if its legal to create paper cartridges as a gunslinger in FPS? TY! (It's going to get pretty expensive otherwise!)

thanks all-this helps a lot

Ok-I've looked over everything I can find on this but still have questions. 1. Can Measure the Mark only be used out of combat since it is a slight of hand check and not a steal combat maneuvre? 2. Does Stab and Grab have to be used before combat begins, since it involves a slight of hand check? I can see the cutpurse being extremely limited or faily cool depending on these questions. First post btw...