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Greetings one and all. I would like to change the topic briefly. Combat Manuever Check... I get the gyst of taking away the opposed attack rolls to confirm a sunder or grapple, however now it is too difficult to achieve a successful grapple or sunder at a lower level. By setting a specific DC check takes out the realism of attacking. For example if you lose your dex you still have the same DC as when you have your full mod..... just a thought to hash out.