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I removed a couple posts. Chill.

thanks.

Found something interesting the FAQ.

Sorcerer: Do the bonuses granted from Bloodline Arcana apply to all of the spells cast by the sorcerer, or just those cast from the sorcerer's spell list? (page 72 of the Core Rulebook)

The Bloodline Arcana powers apply to all of the spells cast by characters of that bloodline, not just those cast using the sorcerer's spell slots.

General rule: If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability. (The exception is if the class ability specifically says it only applies to spells from that class.)

found here: http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm

Either way level dipping, wouldn't make for a good character it would make for a versatile and yes powerful Low-level character, who would ultimately lose out on all those nice class level only, high level features.

The barbarian I'm making for instance, won't be able to take a rage power till level 4 or 5 depending on how many levels of fighter I go. He will also lose his level 20 Mighty rage & possibly his level 17 Tireless rage (both listed on his class table).

My biggest issue is my character being illegal to play in PFS. Here's why:

PFS DM A says: Rages per level go off of character level
While
PFS DM B says: Rages per level go off of class level

So I build 2 cross class barbarians, 1&2

Barbarian 1 rages go off char level is illegal in in DM B's game and legal in DM A's

while

Barbarian 2 rages go off class level is illegal in in DM A's game and legal in DM B's

Do you now, see my problem? My character would be both legal & illegal regardless of which, unless it shows up in the FAQ or Errata.

I don't care which it goes off because it won't make any big difference for how I intend to play this character.

Marc Radle, Just noticed your post.

Are you with Paizo or a 3rd party? If you are with Paizo, Thank You, Now I know for sure.

And I noticed you made the Spell-less ranger, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You. Aragorn was Not a freakin druid ranger.

Still keeping my house-ruling so I don't screw over my shifter, urban barbarian / fighter archer. I can understand if people don't like characters like that because of power-gamers but, my player's and myself make characters based on RP concepts. Like my brutal pugilist barbarian / martial artist monk who's concept is a dockside brawler (skull & shackles) also based off the dwarf that wanted to be a monk in NWN 2, also based somewhat off Karen Murpy from the Dresden files(short yet fierce) female wood-elf. And yes the DM for that game ruled rage per level is based off barbarian level, Whoop dee doo, doesn't change my character concept or how much fun I'm having playing that character.

I think some people strongly want to read things their way and assign a meaning to words despite the RAI being extremely clear for everyone.

True. Except I ruled it was based off character level as a DM for my players before I even knew of PFS. I only need the OFFICIAL stance for SOCIETY ORGANIZED PLAY since I want to make sure my character is legal for play in PFS.

I know full well it could be read either way. That's why my group's house ruling is to play it AS WRITTEN. As written rage is NOT an ability but a Feature. Ability and feature have 2 different definitions. Call it poor editing on Paizo if they are supposed to mean the same thing.

And the only "abilities" I've found thus far in the core book that do Not specify class level and are not in the classes table are: Barbarian rage per day, Druid & Cleric spontaneous casting, & Sorcerer bloodline arcana.
That's all I've found.

And it does NOT break the game, it does however make for some damned interesting characters.

Not just me, several in my group read it as that. Only one person from my group see's it as being limited to Barbarian level. Ditto for the spontaneous casting.

Heck from the stuff I've looked at that appears to go off of Chaly racter level, if that is indeed how it is meant to work, does not break the game because you are still better off staying in one class.

Heck I'm only taking a few levels in fighter to get the double strength mod damage with 2H weapons. I think that the double damage is worth losing some of the Barbarian's feature's. If I do not get rages per day from multiclass, well the bonus fighter feats just open up a spot for a normal feat to be used for extra rage.

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See original post. from op:

"At each level after 1st, she can rage for 2 additional rounds."

It does not specify Barbarian level, Just level.

Which is why I need the official ruling. Because no matter what anyone says it just goes right back to that.

ssalran wrote:

Your quote on the exception being class abilities might be a solid lead for resolution though, what is the rest of that quote and where did you pull it from?

See original post...

jintou wrote:

See where you're going with that but, that begs the question.

Is a class feature a class ability?

Yes.

Feature is just a positive word for ability.

But, they have different definitions, similar yet different.

That's why I need an official answer on this. Heck, that's why I posted on the boards, my gaming group has being going in circles on this one.

Kinda matters since I'll be joining Society games soon as a Barbarian / 2H Fighter. If I only get rage per character level that's fine as there's always the extra rage feat. Just don't want to use the feat if I get rage per class level.

See where you're going with that but, that begs the question.
Is a class feature a class ability?

The things like rage powers etc. are listed at higher levels in the barbarian table, however rage is only listed for level 1 and not again after that like the rage powers are.

First to quote pg. 31 of the core book.

Note that there are a number of effects and prerequisites
that rely on a character’s level or Hit Dice. Such effects
are always based on the total number of levels or Hit
Dice a character possesses, not just those from one class.
The exception to this is class abilities, most of which are
based on the total number of class levels that a character
possesses of that particular class.

Which brings me to my first question.
Is a barbarian's rage based on class level or character level?
It says:

"At each level after 1st, she can rage for 2 additional rounds."
Keep in mind that class abilities such as rage powers specify barbarian level:
"She gains another rage power for every two levels of barbarian attained after 2nd level."
So are the rages per day based off barbarian level or character level?

Another weird one is the cleric & druid's spontaneous casting.

"A druid can channel stored spell energy into summoning spells that she hasn’t prepared ahead of time. She can “lose” a prepared spell in order to cast any summon nature’s ally spell of the same level or lower."

The cleric is worded the same just replace summon spells with cure spells.
So from both my & my DMs reading that means we can drop any prepared spell including prepared spells of a cross class to cast summon nature's all or a cure spell.

Is this how it's supposed to work?

I'm sure there are other class abilities, effects, etc. like these.
I've checked the faq and searched the msg board to no avail.
Would really appreciate an official response.

Thank you in advance.