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Okay everyone. Thank you for all your responses and I appreciate the discussion around it. It does looks like I'm getting the short end of the stick here having to purchase the same product twice if I want a physical copy while running a module through Foundry.

Just out of curiosity, and a shot into the dark, I'm going to email Paizo support and see what the official response is. I do not expect anything to come out of it, but perhaps it might bring attention to the gap between owning physical products and digital one's that one of the posters mentioned earlier.

Once again thank you for all your responses.


dangadget69 wrote:

I think there has been a misunderstanding.

When you purchase the FoundryVTT version of Beginner's Box or Abomination Vaults, you will also get a copy of the PDF.
If you purchase the PDF first, I believe you can get a discount on the Foundry version

Thank you for your reply. I understand what you're trying to say, but my specific query is owning a physical copy of a Paizo product and then trying to purchase a VTT code to run an adventure through Foundry.

Ravingdork wrote:

Buying the book pays for the editors, writers, bookbinders, and others involved in making the hard copy books.

Buying the digital assets pays for the programmers, server managers, IT professionals, and others involved in setting up and maintaining VTT support.

Please don't pay one and not the other if you intend to use both, even if you find a loophole or workaround of some kind. People work hard on this stuff, often have families that they need to provide for, and aren't deserving of being robbed.

If you prefer physical copies (loads of people, like you and me, quickly get "screen fatigue") then it's pretty simple to just read from said physical copy whilst running the game on VTT. I know several GMs who run their games this way.

Thank you for your response. I'm all for supporting companies like Paizo. But I also support my Local Game Store by trying to buy as many of my physical products through them. Most of my physical Pathfinder products I own are purchased through my LGS.

Now, unless I'm misreading your comment it seems that if I buy my physical product through the Paizo store it will enable me to pay just for the Foundry module?

Incase clarification is needed, I do fully intend to purchase the Foundry VTT code through Paizo. My issue comes with having to purchase a PDF for an adventure that I already own a physical copy of in order to buy the Foundry VTT code. And while I understand the rationale behind locking the VTT code purchase behind having to own the PDF, I do feel disappointed that I'm going to have to purchase the PDF for a product that I already paid for.


I usually prefer playing in-person games, but I want to experiment with VTTs and potentially integrating them into my table. I did some research and saw that I must buy the PDF in order to be eligible to buy the Foundry code. But what if I own a physical copy of said product? This is the case with my copy of Beginner's Box and Abomination Vaults. This is going to potentially be a problem for me because my preferred way to prep my sessions is through the use of physicals books with a pen and paper. I struggle with going through PDFs and I much prefer having the physical adventure path in my lap as I read on about what's going on in the adventure while sipping my coffee. Now I'm facing the possibility of having to purchase an AP twice just so I can run it on Foundry.

I hope my problem isn't unique to me. Let me know if you guys know anything that I don't know. As it stands, I feel a bit dejected that I'm going to have to shell out for a PDF I don't plan on using when I already own the physical book.


That makes some sense. Its all relative to the group, my group seems to be fine for now with 1 month per construction, but I might tweak that as time goes on


My group is keen on exploring so what I start doing is tapering off the XP gain for encounters. I also toyed around with the idea of raising the total XP needed per level from 1200 to 1500, but since I was already doing 1200 to level I didn't want the change to be too abrupt so I started handing out less XP for easy encounters and stopped giving as many bounty quest and the like.


Very helpful thanks!


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Radu the Wanderer wrote:

I like the tv adaptation of The Mist, as well as From, for the menacing atmosphere.

Add for music, quartet no. 7 by Dimitri Shastakovich is my go to for the Gauntlight. And you may not know the name, but you've heard Le Carnaval des Animaux, mvmt. 7 Aquarium by Saint-Sans before, and it fits. Rachmaninov – The Isle of the Dead is another great mood piece

Also check out the themes from Candyman, A Nightmare on Elm Street, and Halloween.

I love instrumentals because I can play it in game and pass the mood onto the players, too!

Great recommendations! Thank you!

I would add the Lighthouse (2019) on the list of inspirational media. The soundtrack alone would make a great 'descent' instrumental to play as they delve deeper into the Abomination Vaults.


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I like your mercenary encounter, it is very inspired, and I will use it in my campaign. One of my players is an exiled noble, the bounty will be put on his head. Just one of many attempts by Pitax to take out the players and their kingdom


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This is great Vance, thank you very much for doing this and compiling it all. I just started running Kingmaker 2e recently, and was worried how I was going to run the Kingdom Management rules knowing full well going in that it is busted. I have nothing to add to your discussion, I simply wanted to acknowledge your efforts and let you know how I'm grateful I am for all the headaches you're helping me and all lurkers out there avoid.