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2) He cannot have a 50 movement

Does fast movement from barbarian not stack with fast movement from monk?

EDIT: I mean fist of the forest not barbarian

Dumb question but...
Do you get to cast remove paralysis while casting animate undead, or is it two standard actions??

So could I, a level 8 oracle summon 16 zombies or skeletons via animate dead, and use them to grapple the target by means of

All move and surround the target, one is going to initiate a grapple the rest ready an action to assist depending on whether or not the grapple looks like it's going well.

So the grapple is initiated say the first zombie is 3 short of beating the targets CMD so two more that readied their action jump in and increase the score by 4 and beat it. Now there are 5 more zombies that can assist with keeping the target grappled, essentially aid another to AC so a +10 to the grapplers CMD.

Is that a legal organization of actions?

Thanks for the responses!
I think combining this with the healers touch achievement feat is what he was hoping to accomplish. Which is a good idea but it just seemed like a lame/manipulative way to get it.

Could a player simply use a fly spell three times and drop their selves, or climb the same cliff 3 times and jump off in order to gain access to the feat. I don't like that way of "achieving" the feat, but I don't see a way to prevent any players from doing this....

How does someone get to a 30 charisma on their own without the stacking bonuses from equipment?? Cause there are only 5 ability points and starting from and 18 30 is just way out of reach.... even with like a plus 8 ring how would you get to the 46 mentioned in the bonus spells table

anyways

Current status:
Race: Half elf
Class: Oracle 9
Str: 8
Dex: 11
Con: 16
Int: 14
Wis: 11
Cha: 30
HP:95
AC:31 (cloak of many stars side step secret shield of faith, cloak of wind)
Fort:6
Ref:13
Wil:6

Curse: Tongues
Mystery: Heavens
Revelations: Lure of heavens, Cloak of many stars, side step secret, (Awesome display>extra revelation)

Spells Known:
0: Stabilize, purify food, create water, spark, read magic, light, detect poison, detect magic

1: [Color spray], [cure light wounds], hide from undead, fairness, Compel hostility, shield of faith, Liberating command, (, Murderous Command> allowed to count as human, elf blood trait and DM)

2: [hypnotic pattern], [cure moderate wounds], Zone of truth, Pilfering Hand, protect from evil communal, , (Remove paralysis, Grace)

3: [Daylight], [Cure serious wounds], Resist energy Communal, bestow curse, paragon surge,(create food and water, Nap Stack)

4: [rainbow pattern], [cure critical wounds], Blessing of Fervor, Debilitating Portent

Feats:
1.Eldritch heritage, 2.Strange Revelation, 3.Craft Wondrous Items, 4.Persistent spell, 5.Spell focus, ( Extra Revelation, Bonus from item), ( Heighten spell,From arcane bond because DM no like familiars)

What's a good spell to replace cause fear and weapon of awe with?

Okay here is an update on my character.....

Current status:
Race: Half elf
Class: Oracle 9
Str: 8
Dex: 11
Con: 16
Int: 14
Wis: 11
Cha: 30
HP:95
AC:31 (cloak of many stars side step secret shield of faith, cloak of wind)
Fort:6
Ref:13
Wil:6

Curse: Tongues
Mystery: Heavens
Revelations: Lure of heavens, Cloak of many stars, side step secret, (Awesome display>extra revelation)

Spells Known:
0: Stabilize, purify food, create water, spark, read magic, light, detect poison, detect magic

1: [Color spray], [cure light wounds], hide from undead, fairness, Compel hostility, shield of faith, Liberating command, (Cause fear, Murderous Command> allowed to count as human, elf blood trait and DM)

2: [hypnotic pattern], [cure moderate wounds], Zone of truth, Pilfering Hand, protect from evil communal, weapon of awe, (Remove paralysis, MAYBE eagle's splendor for myself unless you guys can give me a better spell)

3: [Daylight], [Cure serious wounds], Resist energy Communal, bestow curse, paragon surge,(create food and water, Nap Stack)

4: [rainbow pattern], [cure critical wounds], Blessing of Fervor, Debilitating Portent

Feats:
1.Eldritch heritage, 2.Strange Revelation, 3.Craft Wondrous Items, 4.Persistent spell, 5.Spell focus, ( Extra Revelation, Bonus from item), ( Heighten spell,From arcane bond because DM no like familiars)

Battle plan...
Pre fight shield of faith +2 AC or eagles splendor increasing my DC by 2

If monster HD<15 or 17 from ES
First try cause fear, lowering it's save by 2 even if it saves, may add persistent or heighten spell
Second use bestow curse lowing it's saves by 4 more
Third Debilitating portent
Fourth hopefully anything because the monster will be pretty much useless by then

If HD>15/17
First weapon of awe and hope allies crit causing it to be shaken
Then bestow curse
followed by debilitating portent
then whatever!

I really appreciate all the help and support you guys have given so far! Let me know what you think and tell me if there is something better I should switch out.

What items increase the spell saves?

mplindustries wrote:

geno_correli wrote:

Would it be possible to use paragon and get a sorcerer spell and then scribe it into a spell book I have around as a single use spell? Like making a scroll just in a book.

Sorcerers can't write spells in a spellbook at all. They can make scrolls with the feat, but that does not mean you are suddenly able to write in a spellbook.

And you don't have the spell long enough to be able to scribe a scroll.

Okay so just writing into a scroll, I use extend spell with paragon and then start writing.

Does the 2 hours have to be consecutive?

never mind thought it was ten minutes a level not 1 -_- great...

geno_correli wrote:

Would it be possible to use paragon and get a sorcerer spell and then scribe it into a spell book I have around as a single use spell? Like making a scroll just in a book.

Sorcerers can't write spells in a spellbook at all. They can make scrolls with the feat, but that does not mean you are suddenly able to write in a spellbook.

And you don't have the spell long enough to be able to scribe a scroll.

Okay so just writing into a scroll, I use extend spell with paragon and then start writing.

Does the 2 hours have to be consecutive?

Would it be possible to use paragon and get a sorcerer spell and then scribe it into a spell book I have around as a single use spell? Like making a scroll just in a book.

geno_correli wrote:

Corlindale wrote:

Heavens Oracle is not usually about damage, it's about knocking everything senseless with Color Spray and the fantastic Awesome Display revelation.

So I like what you're saying here but how can I make the will save for the creatures harder cause I feel like everything I cast anything on makes it's save like all the time :/

You have a +10 Charisma modifier. If your spells are still getting resisted, your GM is either using enemies way above your level, or he's specifically raising their saves to counter you.

That said, yeah, you can get Spell Focus/Greater Spell Focus, or use Heighten Spell metamagic (which unfortunately costs a higher slot, but does raise the DC).

So because we have a party of 6 the DM added a house rule no familiars, but since it's the first arcane BL power he said you can choose an extra feat...I could use that to take improved initiative same thing and then I don't have to worry about the little guy dying

Also the two most recent encounters were with a turtle dragon will+9 and a trex will +10 so they just have to roll a 11 or a twelve to pass the spell DC :\

I think the DM is trying to avoid large initiative line ups by throwing just one big monster at us, 2 players are going to break off and form another group though so maybe I'll be useful once there is more little guys running around :((

geno_correli wrote:

Corlindale wrote:

Heavens Oracle is not usually about damage, it's about knocking everything senseless with Color Spray and the fantastic Awesome Display revelation.

So I like what you're saying here but how can I make the will save for the creatures harder cause I feel like everything I cast anything on makes it's save like all the time :/

You have a +10 Charisma modifier. If your spells are still getting resisted, your GM is either using enemies way above your level, or he's specifically raising their saves to counter you.

That said, yeah, you can get Spell Focus/Greater Spell Focus, or use Heighten Spell metamagic (which unfortunately costs a higher slot, but does raise the DC).

What goes into the DC for spells I cast? 10+caster+CHA+items/feats??

Okay so half elves start with a skill focus so just use that in a knowledge skill since arcane bloodline skills are just any knowledge,

so

skill focus(any)>eldritch heritage>paragon surge>improved eldritch heritage

that gets me to spontaneous access to all cleric and oracle spells and a familiar

does that give me access to the bonus feats and bonus spells that a 7th level arcane sorcerer would have?? would that also be like multiclassing as a 7th level sorcerer for the duration of the spell??? so i'd gain an entire new spell list along with the bloodline feats and spells as well as the bloodline powers

surely not.... D:

okay from there i need to make a cloak of eldritch heritage which i have make wonderous item so i'd need the spell and since i'm not a sorcerer could I just take the +5 to the craft check and push through

then once i'm of level take improved eldritch heritage as a feat and use paragon for greater which would put me as a sorcerer of the same level as i currently would be?

i'm sorry if that's confusing or hard to follow...this is a very in depth trick...

Never mind went back and read it, so i'd gain the bloodline power and my level for that power would be 7th. Where do I gain access to the wizard spells?

Okay so half elves start with a skill focus so just use that in a knowledge skill since arcane bloodline skills are just any knowledge,
so

skill focus(any)>eldritch heritage>paragon surge>improved eldritch heritage

that gets me to spontaneous access to all cleric and oracle spells and a familiar

does that give me access to the bonus feats and bonus spells that a 7th level arcane sorcerer would have?? would that also be like multiclassing as a 7th level sorcerer for the duration of the spell??? so i'd gain an entire new spell list along with the bloodline feats and spells as well as the bloodline powers

surely not.... D:

okay from there i need to make a cloak of eldritch heritage which i have make wonderous item so i'd need the spell and since i'm not a sorcerer could I just take the +5 to the craft check and push through

then once i'm of level take improved eldritch heritage as a feat and use paragon for greater which would put me as a sorcerer of the same level as i currently would be?

i'm sorry if that's confusing or hard to follow...this is a very in depth trick...

Heavens Oracle is not usually about damage, it's about knocking everything senseless with Color Spray and the fantastic Awesome Display revelation.

So I like what you're saying here but how can I make the will save for the creatures harder cause I feel like everything I cast anything on makes it's save like all the time :/

He gets Sidestep Secret from a third party feat, and Cha from equipment.

I'm curious about the equipment, though - are you sure the Cha bonuses from all 3 pieces of equipment stack in your game? Usually Ability Bonuses on equipment are Enhancement Bonuses, which specifically do not stack with themselves. But to be honest, it seems like your game has so many weird house rules in place that it's a bit hard to give advice :-)

Yeah they stack at least the DM let's them stack. When I say my AC is 31 and my CHA bonus is +10 as long as I show him where the buffs come from he doesn't care, and I'm not rushing to correct him on it either. :þ

First: what game are you playing?:O

Pathfinder! 3.5ish edition

geno_correli wrote:

Race: Half elf

You are playing a half elf so you should grab Paragon Surge. Use it to gain spontaneous access to every Cleric spell you could cast (Expanded Arcana feat) or to a whole swathe of Wizard Spells (Improved Eldritch Heritage Arcane for the New Arcana bloodline power). If you want to be slightly less cheesy consider being a Human for straight up two extra spells known at each level.

Quote:

Str: 8

Dex: 11
Con: 16
Int: 14
Wis: 11
Cha: 30

Stats seem a little off. How are you getting a 30 Charisma? I would seriosuly consider equalising Con and Dex a bit more, Initiative is important.

Quote:

Mystery: Heavens

Revelations: Lure of heavens, Cloak of many stars, side step secret

The Awesome Display Revelation is the single most powerful thing about this Mystery as it keeps Color Spray as a viable save or suck spell for many levels. Also as it is very low level you can load it out with metamagic effects.

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Spells Known:

0: Stabilize, purify food, create water, spark, read magic, light, detect poison, detect magic
1: Color spray, cure light wounds, hide from undead, fairness, air bubble, shield of faith, compel hostility
2: hypnotic pattern, cure moderate wounds, bull's strength, spear of purity, protect from evil communal, weapon of awe, silence
3: Daylight, Cure serious wounds, sacred bond, bestow curse, searing light
4: rainbow pattern, cure critical wounds, protection from energy

Spells I would consider changing: Air Bubble (Wand, Scroll), Bu8lls Strength (anyone who wants it will have a Belt), Spear of Purity (Diret damage is not a thing you are good at without a lot of investment), Sacred Bond (just move to them or grab Reach Spell or have a scoll), Searing Light (see Spear), Protection from Energy (Resist Energy is better)

Spells I would recommend: Communal Resist Energy, Blessing of Fervour, Liberating Command, a Summon, Remove Fear, Grace, Remove Paralysis, Dispel Magic, Paragon Surge, Invisibility Purge, Air...

So Paragon surge, can I really take that?? cause under the level description at the top it doesn't say oracle... http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/p/paragon-surge But reading the descriptor I like what it says!

Bunch of items! I explained above, what if I took improved initiative to counter balance the low dex or should I really just get more ability points in there? Constitution I am trying! I mean how can extra health be bad!

I actually read over Awesome display but going back I can see how handy that it will be...

So I just got a battle rhino...and Air walk with that sounds freaking amazing....

Half-elf Oracles can definitely cast Paragon Surge.

Okay so at the top of the spell discription does it matter that it doesn't say oracle at the top??? http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/p/paragon-surge

MC Templar explained! THANKS!

How do you have Sidestep Secret? Is there some kind of houserule in place that allows you to pick from any mystery? That sounds extremely powerful, if that's the case!

Heavens Oracle is not usually about damage, it's about knocking everything senseless with Color Spray and the fantastic Awesome Display revelation. Try to fit that in there somewhere. Especially with your ridiculously high Charisma! How on earth did you get that at 9th level?

Summoning is another potent option on the cleric list, if you like that kind of thing. Augment Summoning is obviously a nice choice if you go far down this path, but by no means necessary.

Also look into the powerful buffs available to you. Blessings of Fervor is a special gem, which I'd certainly pick as one of my first choices on level 4. Prayer is also quite nice, if less obvious.
Resist Energy is in some ways superior to Protection from Energy - and a level lower as well.
Lesser Restoration is needed so often it's actually well worth taking even with an oracle.

I took strange revelation lets you pick one revelation from another class, and yeah it's giving me and AC of about 32 which is nice!

The charisma bonus is from starting with a 18 from the point buy system, 2 ability points from leveling up, a +4 cha ring, a +2 ac/cha cape, an Epic staff which isn't so epic because my DM doesn't particularly like casters but it gives a +2 cha and half elves gain a +2 in one ability so of course put that into charisma!

I'll read into those spells I think i may have skipped over them!

Paragon surge I don't think oracles can cast or can I since I'm a half elf?

Hi I just switched from Sorcerer to Oracle in order to save my party from an untimely ending, and I am rather clueless on how to play the Oracle class. I could really use some help choosing feats and good spells. We ran a session and I did some really good healing but never did a point of damage and I just get this feeling like there is more to the Oracle than what how I am playing it now.

Current status:
Race: Half elf
Class: Oracle 9
Str: 8
Dex: 11
Con: 16
Int: 14
Wis: 11
Cha: 30

Curse: Tongues
Mystery: Heavens
Revelations: Lure of heavens, Cloak of many stars, side step secret

Spells Known:
0: Stabilize, purify food, create water, spark, read magic, light, detect poison, detect magic
1: Color spray, cure light wounds, hide from undead, fairness, air bubble, shield of faith, compel hostility
2: hypnotic pattern, cure moderate wounds, bull's strength, spear of purity, protect from evil communal, weapon of awe, silence
3: Daylight, Cure serious wounds, sacred bond, bestow curse, searing light
4: rainbow pattern, cure critical wounds, protection from energy

Feats:
1.Toughness, 2.Strange Revelation, 3.Craft Wondrous Items, 4.????, 5.????, Bonus feat.????

Everything here can be changed my DM gave me permission to fool around until I get something that I like out of my character. Help will be greatly appreciated!

Man I got that wrong. Thanks for straightening this out!

A maximised 1st level spell uses a 4th level slot, a 2nd level spell uses a 5nd level slot. You couldn't max a 1st level spell until you were able to cast 4th level spells ( and thus had a 4th level slot)

Okay so all my higher level bonus slots are useless...? :(

geno_correli wrote:

Seranov wrote:

You cannot cast spells above the level you get from class levels, even if you would normally get bonus spells of that level. So you'd need to be a level 10 Sorcerer to use your 5th level bonus spell slot from having 20 Charisma, for example.

So then I could only use maximize spell on a first level spell and never anything above that?

You could cast Maximized 1st level Sorcerer spells right now, but you cannot cast Maximized 1st level Oracle spells, because you don't have 4th level Oracle spells at all, yet.

Oh man so as a sorcerer I couldn't maximize a second level spell and use my 5th level spell slots?

You cannot cast spells above the level you get from class levels, even if you would normally get bonus spells of that level. So you'd need to be a level 10 Sorcerer to use your 5th level bonus spell slot from having 20 Charisma, for example.

So then I could only use maximize spell on a first level spell and never anything above that?

Can you tell us about your sorcerer? (level, attributes, feats, bloodline, school) There are probably better ways to toughen up than multiclassing.

I'm mostly worried about the rest of my party, we have a barbarian fighter rouge monk and me and another sorcerer. So were pretty much just straight damage output. What I do is have mage armor on like all day and cast shield on myself when we get into fights so I don't get hit often even though I'm technically "squishy". :P

So I was just looking for a way to keep everyone else from dying. May be a lost cause...

geno_correli wrote:

Finkmilkana wrote:

Well, for one you can't cast 9th level spells on level 9.

Second, as Seranov said your classes are seperate, you DON'T have any oracle spell slots besides the level 1 (and 0) ones.

Edit: And the bonus slots for high ability scores only come into play once you can cast spells of that level.

Okay but what about the metamagic feats which allows me to use the higher spell slots?

You mean Heighten Spell? That doesn't give you access to higher level spell slots; it lets you cast a lower level spell using one of your higher level spell slots (which gives it a higher DC). Or do you mean metamagics in general? Because for those when they adjust the spell level it means that it costs a spell slot of the level it gets raised to in order to cast it. For instance, a first level spell with Silent Spell (+1 to the spell level) would take up a second level spell slot, and if you didn't have access to second level spells you wouldn't be able to cast it.

I mean in general, the way i figured was those extra spell slots that I receive from my high ability score are pretty much only good for using metamagic feats with spells that I CAN cast. So from there I thought applying say maximize spell to a 1st level spell is like casting a 4th level spell since it uses the 4th level slot. So since I have a ninth level slot to use once per day that would be like the ability to cast a ninth level spell and then I could use the class bonus to select a 8th level spell since its one below the max level I can cast.

This may be completely wrong....now it seems

So, your DM hates your party and has threatened to kill all the PCs?

Haha it wasn't really a threat more of a warning i think.

You could use the Favored Class bonus to get an Oracle orison (0-th level spell).

ahhh okay, well darn! :{

Well, for one you can't cast 9th level spells on level 9.

Second, as Seranov said your classes are seperate, you DON'T have any oracle spell slots besides the level 1 (and 0) ones.

Edit: And the bonus slots for high ability scores only come into play once you can cast spells of that level.

Okay but what about the metamagic feats which allows me to use the higher spell slots?

Haha well, I'm actually playing a half elf so there is the multitalented trait and the elf blood trait so my GM let me choose from the elven or the human class bonus. So that is how I have the 2 favored classes.

Okay, so having a 9th level spell slot wouldn't allow me to consider that as the ability to cast a 9th level spell?

Hi, I am currently playing a level 8 sorcerer and I'm thinking of multiclassing as a oracle because our GM said we will get killed off because we are "a group of glass cannons". So I figured why not take the second spell caster of the group and become a oracle instead so at least we'd have a healer then.

So anyways my question is if I take my ninth level use it as a level 1 oracle I gain several spell slots because my current charisma modifier is +9. So if I couple that with the human class bonus which says "Add one spell known from the oracle spell list. This spell must be at least one level below the highest spell level the oracle can cast." does that mean I could take Breath of Life for example since it is a fifth level spell and I can technically cast a ninth level spell?
I got that off of the d20pfsrd site for Oracle.