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Greetings, all,

I recently ran the above module for a group, and have come across an ambiguity in the interaction between the module itself and the Pathfinder Society guidelines.

Basically, the situation is this: While the Red Raven escaped (just), the party contacted the Red Raven by using a message spell through scrying (using the dagger that the Raven used to kill Adril) and thus received the password in order to see his evidence implicating Adril. This meant Geppa was present for the encounter in the caves and, thus, they both had the password and someone to recognise the password when they reached that encounter, and thus bypassed the combat entirely.

This meant that they never had the opportunity to pick up the ring that controls the phoenix (or even know about it), and thus get the campaign point for that encounter.

The ambiguity is that the section on "Creative Solutions" in the Guide says that players who find a creative means of avoiding a combat encounter (and this counts) should get the rewards. However, the section in question talks about rewards in money and access, and talks about rewards for a combat encounter - freeing the phoenix is effectively a roleplaying encounter that follows the combat encounter.

For the record, if this was a home campaign I would have no objection to giving them a point on the basis that they also managed to rescue the naga (a personal agent of one of the Ten) from Condria's control - something that isn't listed as being worth a campaign point, but which possibly should be. Given that this is organised play, however, I'd like a precise ruling before I award (or otherwise) the point.


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I'm currently building a winter witch, and as a result have a preference for taking the winter patron (as it fits the theme). However, I've noticed something that could lead to some rules "discussions" in a PFS environment - a number of the spells on the patron list are granted at levels where you don't have the slots to actually cast them (unshakable chill at witch level 2 when it's a second-level spell, ice storm at 6, cone of cold at 10 (a 6th-level spell on the witch list).

I've done a search through the boards, and seen a few responses to the effect that if you get a bonus spell known you can't normally cast at your level, you get it at the highest level you do have a slot for (so, in this case, a winter archetype witch would get unshakable chill as a 1st-level spell, ice storm as a 3rd-level spell, and so on) - here and here, for instance. However, none of those responses appear to be from Paizo representatives or citing official rules backing up this interpretation. Can anyone provide an official ruling or citation on this matter?