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OK, that's for the reply/clarification.

I reviewed it with my wife who had no clue what it said, but agreed that the "its" refers to the spell and not the metamagic feat (I guess this is why grammar is important).

Thanks for the help and clarification - I think a lot of people are doing this wrong :)


I have a question about how the relationship between Magical Lineage and Spell Perfection could work.

Consider a 15th level sorcerer (can cast 7th level spells) with the following meta magic feats, with their normal level adjustments without spell perfection taken into account.

Dazing Spell [ + 3 Level Increase ]
Empower Spell [ + 2 Level Increase ]
Quicken Spell [ + 4 Level Increase ]
Maximize Spell [ + 3 Level Increase ]
Intensify Spell [ + 2 Level Increase ]
Selective Spell [ + 1 Level Increase ]

At 15th level, the caster has Magical Lineage (fireball) and Spell Perfection (Fireball).

Spell perfection states that the total level of the spell slot total could not exceed 9. However, is that before or after the magical lineage is added?

For example, could you cast:

Fireball [ Level 3 ], magical lineage
Quicken Spell [ + 0 - apply spell perfection to this feat - however normally it would add 3 with just magical lineage ]
Selective Spell [ + 0 ]
Empower Spell [ + 1 level ]
Intensify [ + 1 level ]
Dazing Spell [ + 2 level ]

Technically this would be a 6th spell slot, and stays under the 9 level requirements for spell perfection (if you assume that magical lineage reduces before doing this check).

Then theoretically you have another full round spell cast that you could do:
Fireball [ Level 3], magical lineage
Maximize Spell [ + 0 - magical lineage]
Dazing Spell [ + 2 ]
Empower [ + 1 ]
Intensify [ + 1 ]
Selective Spell [ + 0 ]

For a level 7 spell slot [ similarly with magical lineage maximize spell would add + 2 so still be under the 9th spell slot requirement ].

Would this be legal in a turn? Or do you calculate the total spell slots that it would use (so as not to exceed 9th) before magical lineage, and then apply that discount. The way I interpret "treat its actual level as 1 lower for determining the spell’s final adjusted level" is that discount would apply before figuring out if you exceeded the 9th spell slot level.

As a secondary question, am I correct in assuming that Spell Perfection is the total of levels before the discount from Spell Perfection is applied - in the second example I couldn't add a Burning Spell [ + 2 level, + 1 after magical lineage ] to the to the first quickened spell as even though it would still only count as a level 7 spell, the meta magic feat slot total would be 10th level - the spell perfection takes it down to level 7 but my interpretation of the rules is it has to be under 9 before the discount is applied.

Thanks!