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Domain slots and specialist slots are both dependent on casting, not on class level. Bloodline spells know and the free spells in a Wizards book are dependent on class level.

In this way, Domain slots are not very like Bloodline Spells, but more like Specialist slots. They are both bonus spell slots the are a function of casting.

Bloodline Spells are more like bonus spells in a spellbook, both are a function of class level, hence why neither Sorcerers nor Wizards get them.

Yes, I understand the logic and it still seems as flawed as the first time it was posted. We could debate this point all day, but the fact still remains that all of the arguments as to why clerics do and nobody else does are obscure reasoning which can only be defended by semantics. You have two class features which are essentially the same thing mechanically for all practical purposes, but yet one is treated as some kind of rare nonsensical exception that can only be supported by a turn of phrase which might or might not have even been thought of at the time of writing. It's easy to use minor differences in how two similar things are worded after the fact as a convenient explanation, but whether this is what was originally intended I suppose we'll never know.

He does not, however, gain other benefits a character of that class would have gained.

LOL I suppose we'll simply have to start redefining the word "benefits" to allow for these types of unfathomable exceptions.

Actually, I think that the FAQ entry you talk about supports the opposite argument. A cleric doesn't receive domain spells for levels in a prestige class just as a witch doesn't receive patron spells, an oracle mystery spells and a sorcerer bloodline spells.

Possibly. The only problem is that while a witch does prepare spells like a cleric, their bonus patron spells are not listed on the witch progression table as additional spells per day as domain spells are for clerics. This is the one single point which argues for clerics potentially receiving their bonus spells while apparently nobody else does, but it is seriously inconsistent if so.

Sigh.

The ONLY things you get (according to the FAQ) are: Spells per day, Spells Known (for spontaneous casters), and caster levels.

Clerics get domain spells because their domain spells are included in their "Spells per Day" table. Wizards do not get School spells Sorcerers do not get bloodline spells because their bloodline spells are not in their "Spells known" table.

How much simpler can it get?

Although, there is an entry in the FAQ for the APG which is slightly more relevant and unfortunately does support your argument.

FAQ

This does make it somewhat more official in my mind, but I still maintain that it is ridiculous and illogical. In my opinion, either both should be received or neither. It is an annoying inconsistency. After all, aren't domain spells as much of a class feature as bonus bloodline and patron spells?

Sigh.

The ONLY things you get (according to the FAQ) are: Spells per day, Spells Known (for spontaneous casters), and caster levels.

Clerics get domain spells because their domain spells are included in their "Spells per Day" table. Wizards do not get School spells Sorcerers do not get bloodline spells because their bloodline spells are not in their "Spells known" table.

How much simpler can it get?

I agree, sigh.

Although I stated it as fact, in truth nowhere in the rules or FAQ does it actually indicate that clerics receive domain spells for levels in Mystic Theurge. It is a reasonable assumption based on the progression table, but it is only an opinion and not supported officially. So, despite the fact that nowhere in the rules does it state either is allowed, you choose to argue that one is allowable, but not the other? Nonsensical as far as I'm concerned since domains and bloodlines are simply variations on similar themes. It makes no sense to allow one and not the other.
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This essentially means that he adds the level of mystic theurge to the level of whatever other arcane spellcasting class and divine spellcasting class the character has, then determines spells per day, spells known, and caster level accordingly.

If your so determined to argue your point based strictly on the letter of what is stated, then domain spells should most definitely not be allowed since they are not mentioned as any kind of exception. An exception which would be completely ridiculous and illogical even if it were specifically included. What it comes down to is that until there is a more definitive ruling aside from what is currently in the FAQ which does not even discuss bloodline or domain spells at all,

He does not, however, gain other benefits a character of that class would have gained.

is and will be subject to interpretation.

So you tell me. How much simpler can it get?

I assume you're referring to the FAQ

This, of course, is the support for my very logical argument up thread.

While it is possible that clarification could be used to justify sorcerers not receiving bonus bloodline spells which is not certain, I fail to see any logic in your argument what so ever when it is completely invalidated by the inconsistent fact that clerics are allowed to receive their domain spells. However, you cannot be held responsible for the inconsistency of the authors, only for the logic of your arguments.

He's absolutely and utterly wrong. The devs did answer. In short, unless the prestige class says different. (and there is exactly ONE... and only ONE prestige class from Paizo that does.) the only things your sorcerer will advance in his MT levels are the caster level, spells known, and spells per day tables. That's it... And in case you haven't figured out what that one PrC is.... it's Dragon Disciple. reread it and see my answer demonstrated in that class description.

If this is the case, I would certainly be interested in reading the thread. Can you provide a link?

And since the sorcerer progression table clearly does not include bloodline bonus spells as "spells known", logically you would not gain access to those when you level in Mystic Theurge.

Logically only if you prefer inconsistency. However, until there's an official ruling, it is subject to interpretation so you're certainly welcome to your opinion as am I.

So when you switch to Mystic Theurge you will gain domain spells as you gain access to new spell levels, however you won't gain new bloodline spells because you are not gaining sorcerer levels.

I see the point you're trying to make and based on the wording I submit that the issue is certainly not clear, but I disagree with your logic.

Would you gain these spells if you had levels of fighter?

No, but you wouldn't gain access to additional cleric domain spells or spell slots by taking levels in fighter or any other class for that matter either. For example, a 10th level oracle gains access to 5th level spells and casts divine spells like a cleric, but this does not mean that an oracle who also has levels in cleric automatically gains access to 5th level domain slots and spells simply because he can cast spells of that level now. Despite the ambiguous phrasing, in my opinion both bloodline and domain spells are equally and similarly dependent on gaining access to spells of a particular level in respect to levels of Mystic Theurge.

This essentially means that he adds the level of mystic theurge to the level of whatever other arcane spellcasting class and divine spellcasting class the character has, then determines spells per day, spells known, and caster level accordingly.

Since the cleric progression table clearly lists domain spell slots as "spells per day", logically you would gain access to those when you level in Mystic Theurge. By extension, since bloodline spells are basically the equivalent of domain spells for sorcerers, you should receive those as well. This seems reasonable to me and would be my house ruling, but as I stated it is only my opinion. I would also suggest that until there's an official ruling, anyone who's going to house rule this should say that you receive both or neither. Otherwise it just seems inconsistent.