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So, what i'm getting here. Not so much Necessity of a Cleric as there is a Necessity of a Bard/occult caster? to buff/debuff?

Oh i'm a spell casting cleric... run to the front? Rofl NOES, i'm standing back and casting buffs/debuffs/heals.

I'm still 1000% making CHA for clerics the MOST OMG MOST important stat.

Depending on race you can start with a cha 16 then after the 5/10/15/20 boost + apex item of +2 gives you give you a stat of 21/23 for cha = you effectively gained 7 Level 10 heal/harm spells... let that sink in for a bit. You gain 7! level 10 spells. Considering each level of cleric you get 3 spells... ya drink it in.

and maybe some other magic item or spell to mod this?

Waaat?

You can only take each ability 1x. I suspect there will be feats to augment this at some point.

Though i'm with you, i'd love to just stack master abilities!

And really is that so OP? i'm thinking noes.. meh, stupid "play balance" letting the weak bring us trailblazers down to their level. bah. BAH!

I agree, Wis is trash for Warpriest. I'm playing cloistered in my current campaign. I'm playing a gnome w/ Str 8, 18 Wis, and 16 Cha.

Ignoring CHA as a cleric is just throwing away auto-leveling heal spells you could have for free.

As a devotee of Irori I usually split my channels between heal and harm.

In my current campaign I'm using my channeled heals + medicine as my healing abilities. It leaves all my cleric spells for buffs, cures and attack/debuff spells

Apologies, but in this edition of pathfinder if you are not boosting CHA for your cleric, then you are just being ignorant of how the game system works.

DnD has made WIS the ULTIMATE STAT for Clerics, but, in Pathfinder 2e wisdom only matters for attack spells and to add a couple points to some other spells. It doesn't even affect how much you can heal for.

Dwarf priest min wis = 14 (max 18 for 1st level)

A dwarf could boost their cha to 12 at start (2 heals auto leveling) and/or pick medicine skill + associated feats. IMHO Medicine skill + Battle medicine + ward medic + all the other Medicine feats are OP and put up a middle finger to spell casting healers.

So, you can run around w/a 9 wis and be practically as effective as someone w/a 40+ wis... as long as you stick w/ buffs/non-attack spells.

I'd imagine, if you're a warpriest you would be using a 2h (GORUM!) or 1h+shield w/ 3att/rnd or 2+shield block as their primary mode of dps? Wis, int and dex(if using heavy armor) = dump stats, tho wis/dex would still be nice for saving throws.

I really did like how they made Full plate gain 2 + armor’s potency rune as DR and gain the Bulwark trait = +3 Ref save. which makes your dex save from stats irrelevant. why put points into Dx if you're going heavy armor?

Ah, ok that makes sense.

I was thinking it was referring to metamagics like Cast Down.

Thanks!

When I make characters, I like to build them to what I would like them at 20th level (even if the campaign will never get there)

I'm confused at what the 20th level cleric feat - Metamagic Channel is trying to do.

Use 1 metamagic action that you can perform that normally takes 1 action and can be
applied to the harm or heal spell. If you use it in this way, its effects apply only to a harm or heal spell.

if it does harm/heal it does harm/heal? wtf!?

Is it trying to say that if your channel power = harm/heal then your normal spell harm/heal is also affected by the channeling feat(s)?

This is the only thing I can imagine that make any sense. If this is the case sucks that you can only do this at 20th. Then again, better late than never!

Thanks :)

I was planning on every other week.

I'm really interested if there are still openings.