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That's perfect Fourshadow! Couldn't have stated it any clearer.


That's exactly how I read it TriOmegaZero!

Just so that I'm clear and haven't miss interpreted Damage Reduction:
Damage Reduction is a "supernatural ability to instantly heal damage from weapons or ignore blows altogether as though they were invulnerable." It's not another form of armor. The main difference being, is that armor increases the difficulty to inflict damage (increases AC) and DR reduces the amount of damage the attack does.

"Whenever damage reduction completely negates the damage from an attack, it also negates most special effects that accompany the attack" This section to me says, that if a creature with DR 10/- is hit with a poison dagger or a monk's stunning fist, that if the attack does not inflict more than 10 points of damage then the effect that accompanies the attack (poison or stun effect) also doesn't take affect.

"Damage Reduction does not negate touch attacks, energy damage dealt along with an attack, or energy drains." I read this line as saying if a touch attack is made (a spell casted on a character, that doesn't need to penetrate armor. For example, changing a character into a mouse, or some magical attack that causes energy drains, or damage from some energy attack, then DR does not negate the touch attack. In other words the creature take full damage from the attack.

When it comes to the Gunslingers Touch AC attacks, it doesn't act as Touch AC because it not considered a spell or energy attack and the damage will be reduced by DR. In other words the bullet is directly challenged by the tough skin, invulnerability, healing factor or whatever you want to call it, of the creature.

I'm almost certain this is how it should be interpreted but if I'm missing something please let me know.


Flaming Duck I totally agree with your assessment of how Touch AC works against Damage Reduction . But the group I'm playing with believes that DR is a form of natural body armor, and because of that, Touch AC attacks should bypass DR. I've tried to explain (and even highlighted the description of DR that says it's a form of invulnerability) but they still don't believe I'm right. So my question is, does paizo have an official update to Touch AC vs. DR? It seems as if that's the only way I can convince these guys how DR truly works.