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Deadmanwalking wrote:

Well, a Nurse, from Ultimate Equipment, costs 7 SP a day and is only a 1st level Expert...so a 1st level Expert or Commoner seems likely at 3sp. I'd probably go Commoner at that price, actually.

Now, a Nurse can get paid two or three times as much if they're 3rd-4th level...and I'd assume the same goes for other professions as well. So...you get what you pay for.

All NPC class characters have 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, for stats, before Racial Modifiers (or 3 point-buy if you want to switch it up a bit).

They'd advance in class or level like any other NPC...which is to say when the GM says so (which can be done by giving them some share of xp, if you like).

Unfortunately, I'd have to develop a new method for xp gain other than combat and questing for some of these blokes. That's one of the things I don't particularly like about Path and D&D - good systems, iconic, very enjoyable, but by God all you can do to level up and improve is beat goblins in the head with a stick or save someone's cat from a tree.

Curiously, where are you drawing your source from? I've never run across the basic stats or growth for NPC characters.


I'm running a Kingmaker campaign right now and some of my players are interested in hiring trained hirelings for a variety of purposes. The core rulebook gives some basics on them - 3sp a day, comes in a variety of craft-oriented classifications - but doesn't really give me enough to go on.

I can ad-lib, of course, but I like to have an established baseline to go off of in order to make things fair and balanced. When it comes to establishing a baseline that hasn't been defined, I don't trust my own perspective alone to get the job done.

Assuming that no Pathfinder resource goes into better explicit detail, I need a few of these questions answered. Hypothetical and theoretical responses are welcome, as long as there's some sort of basis behind them. The idea is to put enough pieces together to jury-rig or manufacture the remaining pieces - from thin air, if need be.

1. What level is the average trained hireling?
2. What is the base attribute score of a trained hireling, esp. intelligence?
3. Are all trained hirelings of similar skill levels paid the same, regardless of specialization?
4. What other theoretical factors go into hiring/upkeep of a trained hireling?
5. Can untrained hirelings become trained hirelings through some sort of process?
6. Can trained hirelings become more proficient in their jobs over time - i.e. in the case of long-term employment, apprenticeship, etc?

Any thoughts, sources, observations, and ideas would be greatly appreciated, mates. Thanks much in advance!