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I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET OFF YOUR FAKE INTERNET POINT HORSE AND ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR ACTIONS ARE FOUL, MUCH LIKE CHILDREN WHO SHOULD BE PUNISHED.

THIS IS DEVOLVING INTO A FARCE OF A CONVERSATION. NO ONE IS CONTRIBUTING IN ANY MEANINGFUL MANNER ANYMORE. LET IT DIE. YESSSSSS

Wait wait wait... so if you've changed your opinion, what have you changed it to?

In the wake of this new information, what do you believe the masterpiece does?

EDIT: If anyone replies to this with "It does what it says it does" I will give up on this thread entirely. :P

JASON

IT DOES WHAT IT SAYS IT DOES.

WAKEDOWN

WHY IS THIS EVEN UP FOR DEBATE. IT ALLOWS BILLY TO MAKE KNOWLEDGE CHECKS THAT AID THE PLEBEIANS WHO CANNOT THINK FOR THEMSELVES. HOW DOES THIS BREAK YOUR LITTLE UNIVERSE? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE THAT SO MANY SEEM TO BE HAVING. IT IS NOT SOMEONE DANCING AND GIVING SEVEN PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO MOVE UNHINDERED BY SIMPLY WITNESSING THE MIRACLE OF BILLY IDOL IN MOTION.

SOMEONE SUCH AS A GOD CANNOT IMAGINE A UNIVERSE WHERE A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF THE GREATER WEAVE AND HEFT OF THE FABRIC OF REALITY WOULD CAUSE SUCH A WRINKLE IN THAT CLOTH.

Voice of Baba Yaga wrote:

BILLY, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. QUIT LYING TO THESE POOR PEOPLE. THEY WILL BELIEVE YOU. GO BACK TO DANCING WITH YOURSELF. IT WILL HELP YOU FLY. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE BATMAN'S CAPE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1NrQYXjLU

BILLY! THESE PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU DANCING! STOP DISTRACTING THEM WITH YOUR MUSIC VIDEOS!

WAKEDOWN! WHY HAVE YOU AWOKEN HIM? I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU YOURS WAS NOT TO QUESTION.

wakedown wrote:

I tried to derail it already by going on a tangent by summoning a demon lord... or an eidolon, or something.

I suppose I could always email Billy Idol or Baba Yaga if you guys really want a Peacock thread derailed again...

Sorry all, I would have posted earlier but Steve Stevens and I were busy getting hammered! I don't really remember everything that went down, but I woke up and my leg was all trashed and I was on the Arsenio Hall show. I see that Pageant of the Peacock is under discussion again, all I have to say is that the ability to use bluff for intelligence based skill is way different then using perform dance to use symphony of the Elysian heart and everyone around you has freedom of movement, it's crazy overpowered for a "magical" world where everything should make sense.

Also...so much leather!

BILLY, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. QUIT LYING TO THESE POOR PEOPLE. THEY WILL BELIEVE YOU. GO BACK TO DANCING WITH YOURSELF. IT WILL HELP YOU FLY. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE BATMAN'S CAPE.

Re: mass phantom steed

I think it is suppose to be communal phantom steed.

Cool. Thank you for posting this. It will help when I edit my personal copy that people borrow.

Merchants Wake - pg. 14, the last step in the chase scene: Barricaded Door - Batter it down (DC 17 Swim) or Take off the hinges (Knowledge [Engineering] DC 22)

Weapon in the Rift - pg. 5, a spell is referenced called mass phantom steed which I do not believe is a real spell. I know regal procession is a spell from 3.5 that is close or I could assume mass phantom steed is a higher level version of phantom steed. However, in PFS, we run as written. This is something that has been stressed by Paizo staff. That makes it incredibly important that the text is correct.

pg. 9, 3rd paragraph down, 6-7-9-blank should be 6-9-7-blank; and 2-5-1-0 should be 5-2-1-0 (We solved it locally, the GM figured out the right answer while prepping and we reached the same conclusion. This was later clarified on the boards.)

Sealed Gate - pg 15, 10-11 tier; the number of girallons in the combat isn't listed. If you read in the tactics you are able to extrapolate there should 5 girallons using "The fifth one teleports to the nearby rocky outcropping."

Two non-PFS specific issues -

pg. 17, vial of efficacious medicine priced at 700 GP, it should be 9000 GP.

pg. 215, potion glutton changes how drinking a potion functions. "Normal: Drinking potions is a move action that provokes attacks of opportunity." Since this is in a hard cover book, precedent states that this changes how drinking a potion functions.

We are actually putting a list together, these are just quick grabs so you have an answer.

Most of these have been resolved in the forums, however, a number of people do not check the forums on a regular basis if at all. Further, we run zeros often the night after the game is released so we can run them on our Saturday game day. What I'm asking for is more oversight in the editing process to ensure fewer errors. This will help everyone in the community.

While I understand and appreciate that in many cases, this is a labor of love for the Paizo staff, it is still a product that I have to pay for. Not only am I paying for the scenarios, I am volunteering to run these at our local game day. This already requires me to spend time and money as a paying customer to spend additional time and effort correcting these mistakes. In any industry where you have customers, the customers do have a right to ask for more quality control. You have previously exhibited the ability to put out more scenarios with fewer errors. I simply am trying to state that this is a recent issue that I would like addressed.

EDIT: Please note, I love Pathfinder. I don't plan on changing game systems. I subscribe to three of the offered subscriptions and am not currently planning on changing this. I'm offering constructive criticism in an effort to increase the enjoyment for open society games.

And what people don't seem to recognize is if they did not ignore it as not being worth the man-hours then they're committing to hiring more men for more man-hours which means you're going to be paying more for your Scenarios/Modules/APs.

I actually pay for all of my scenarios personally out of pocket. If I could pay more for a product that is more thoroughly edited, I would.

I currently subscribe to three of product lines and have contemplated doing more. I've been in a holding pattern to see how PFS continues to develop since it is my primary mode of gaming. While I'm not excited by Numeria and would instead *LOVE* to see more having to do with the Satrapies, I have faith in Mike Brock and the rest of the team above him. The meta plot for the first three seasons was in depth, evolved, and showed a through understanding of writing, development, and intrigue. I am looking forward to the campaign as it continues to grow and evolve.

In any event... yes. If you want to let us know to edit more or edit better, it's better to contact us in person via PM or email rather than to post on the boards, because when you post on the boards, you invite discourse from EVERYONE and that, as a general rule, causes more problems than it solves.

So! Be nice to each other! That includes to us at Paizo, and to posters who provide criticism! The internet is a negative enough place already. Let's all work together to keep these boards positive!

HUGS!!!!!!!

Thank you very much for this insight James. I will use the contact us button. Our current plan was to put together a list of errors. If there anything specific we should do with the list of outstanding issues when we're done with it?

Voice of Baba Yaga wrote:

Marc Radle wrote:

Since this appears to be about PFS scenarios specifically, this should be moved to the PFS forum where the PFS folks like John are more likely to see it.

This is about PFS, it was posted on the PFS boards and was moved to this forum.

It was? Maybe it got moved because your original post just said "Please ensure that scenarios are edited before they are released ..." without ever actually specifying your were specifically referring to PFS.

Now that it's clear you ARE referring specifically to PFS scenarios, I absolutely think this thread needs moved.

[flagging as 'In Wrong Forum']

So far as I am aware, scenarios ARE PFS, modules are the single adventure for general consumption, and adventure paths are long campaigns.

Since this appears to be about PFS scenarios specifically, this should be moved to the PFS forum where the PFS folks like John are more likely to see it.

This is about PFS, it was posted on the PFS boards and was moved to this forum.

Maybe it's not a staff but a Rod of Wonder (and heaven help the guy if they do hire someone named Rod).

Ahem, anyhow it's all too easy to criticise, imagine Paizo as some mythical place populated by demi-gods of the RPG world when in fact it's just ordinary people doing a challenging job on a regular basis.

Think about your work, whether it's flipping burgers or running the country, everyone makes mistakes, forgets things, sends the wrong file off, or any other the myriad of reasons why errors occur. There's nothing in Paizo's work that points to a systematic flaw, just that on occasion, mistakes happen in complex areas.

So in short, stop being a d*** and criticising people for being human!

If you get the wrong order once from a burger place, you brush it off. When you are see repeated mistakes with an increase in the severity of mistakes, it becomes a concern that you bring up to a manager in hopes to address the issue and rectify it.

This is not me "being a d***", but attempting to address a concern. I have every right to raise a valid concern.

There have been repeated issues including the number of creatures in encounters, puzzles with incorrect solutions, simple spelling errors, and now a swim check to break down a door. Our region is pretty good at working past these by reading between the lines. I do not assume all game masters can. This is an attempt to improve the quality and thus community for everyone.

I do apologize if my tone is harsh, my frustrations have been mounting and have obviously prompted me to take action.

It's "you have staff", not "you have a staff". Unless you're implying that Paizo has a magic item that does the editing, which would be awesome.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=staff

At least according to google, "a staff of 600" is a correct usage.

Either way, there have been an egregious number of editing errors in season five. This is an open letter from a customer to a company asking for more quality control.

Please ensure that scenarios are edited before they are released to the public. You have a staff whose job is to edit scenarios.

A concerned player.

PS I'm trying to post this in a more polite manner after my last post was taken down.

WAKEDOWN... YOU ARE OVERLY CONCERNED WITH INCONSEQUENTIAL ISSUES THAT CONCERN YOU NOT, THEY ARE BETWEEN BILLY IDOL AND I. YOURS IS NOT TO QUESTION WHY. SIMPLY KNOW THAT I HAVE CHOSEN HIM AS MY VESSEL.