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Thanks for the comments Grimmy. I really appreciate the comments.

Sadly it wasn't a high five moment though. I was kind of looked at with disgust because I went out on my own. and as far as reactions go from the DM, it was neutral or annoyed because I gained xp/loot without the party(It actually struck an argument with one player because "I was getting all of the loots and xp" and he got nothing for it.)

So, although I thought I was doing great, sure didn't feel like it. It was just annoyance across the board. So i just stayed quiet for the rest of the game.

But thats just an emotional thing and not a ruling thing. I'm staying out of peoples way until I get the chance to do something now.

This scenario wasn't really me just strolling off. We got attacked by a group of wolfs, and I expected the party to follow me, but then they started doing other things. (Like the alchemist went on a quick search of alchemical components instead, and the other 2 party members went back to sleep or something.) When they said they weren't following me, thats when I decided to go by myself.

We were actually out in the forest looking for some missing merchant wagons. For the lootz. I went off to see if these wolfs might be the cause of the wagons going missing. But nobody followed.

Again guys, thanks for the responses. It seems everybody feels mixed about this. And it just keeps going back to "GM=God"

P.S: The goblin scenario was made up and didn't happen, just wanted to give another example. To see how other DM's would handle it. I personally reward full experience for any clever gameplay.

Because otherwise I feel like its like going to a job, and getting paid half because you found out a way to do it better and safer.

That a bit of a shame if its a true. Thanks Cavall.

Well, this post wasn't to say "The internet agrees with me." It was for our parties future encounters. If we accomplish something major that took 3 sessions to do, and only got half experience for thinking outside the box, then everyone would feel pretty jipped.

This post was for my use as a DM as well, I'm the only party member with previous experience in pathfinder. This conversation wouldn't have been brought up with other party members because they simply don't know about CR.

He's aware of the CR tables. But he's fairly set in stone that the "wolf was asleep, so you get less experience." Which is fine, I'm just terrified for when we handle something bigger cleverly and theres 5 people annoyed that we got 1k xp and not 5k xp.

I understand both points of view. And in a sense... I agree with both points of view. I greatly appreciate all of the responses.

To clarify, I don't think this DM is bad in any way. He's been creating a VERY enjoyable game experience. This post wasn't to downgrade him anyway. It was just meant to set an experience problem to rest.

If anybody finds exact wording on this, or a response from a member at Paizo, I would love to see it. Thanks again guys.

Is there any set in stone ruling on this? If so, can someone link it?

I would like an answer on "Is the CR of the monster reduced if it is asleep?"

Thank you very much for all the replies. I want to get this settled, because it will be a much bigger deal if it was a party situation.

Hello,

So the situation is this.

A character of mine was walking through the forest, following the footprints of wolfs that just attacked our camp. My party members didn't follow and I ended up running into a Dire Wolf (CR3) sleeping near a broken down wagon.

I felt like I could handle this situation, knowing full well that the Dire Wolf could tear me apart. (I only have 10 health) I rolled a stealth to stay quiet near it, then I climbed a tree, which the DM made me roll another stealth check. Now the wolf got a -10 to perception because it was asleep. I woke it up by shooting whistling arrows off into the distance. It immediately tryed to use its scent ability but couldn't because I was more than 30 feet away. But it still made a perception check to look for me. (Full modifiers, no negatives) It failed its perception check and ran off towards the sound of the arrow.

I quickly looted what I wanted from the wagon and ran off. The DM warned me that I was staying around to long and that the wolf might come back. He rolled a check of some sort. (Perception I think) and failed it. So I trotted back to the group with all of our new lootz.

Now he awarded me CR2 experience because the wolf was asleep. (600 xp), This confused me because I know that Dire Wolfs are CR3 (800 xp).

How would you handle the experience awarded?

And a similiar situation. What if we go to a goblin cave and see everyone is awake during the day. We decide to strategize and come back during the night when most/all of them are asleep. If we pass all the necessary rolls to sneak past all of them and leave unscathed.

Would we get less experience for the goblins? And if so, doesn't that mean we will never get full experience unless its combat?