Captain Morgan wrote:
The Svens wrote:
One of my favorite tests of a skill system is to look at grappling. I loved the PF 1 version. very simple and rewarded investment.
I tried the grapple and push checks and the book said to use the monster's athletics check. I looked in the Beastiary and found athletics of 2 for some creatures and 17 for others. So what I thought was, Use the table on 337 at the default of high then add the athletics bonus to get a DC.
So to grapple an orc warrior Level 1 with an athletics bonus of +6. I would get: 14 from the table + 6 athletics = 20.
Is this correct?
No. When you grapple someone, you roll athletics against their fortitude save. This is explicitly called out in the Grapple action. An orc has a +4 fort save, so it has a fort DC of 14.
If the orc grapples you, and you want to use a Break Grapple action, you roll athletics against his athletic DC. The orc has +6 athletics, which means the DC you need to beat is 16.
When it says "roll against X DC," it usually means "The Bonus to X thing +10." So my stealth DC is my stealth bonus+10. My Perception DC is my perception bonus+10. etc.
...Also, you thought grappling was simple in PF1? Most folks needed a literal flow chart to make sense of it.
Ah, The X + 10 is what I needed. Much easier. thanks!!