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Based on page 298's description of line of effect, does this mean that a creature in cover is not a valid target for a spell? Can I be capable of shooting a target with a bow, but not using Ray of Frost on them?

Moro wrote:

MerlinCross wrote:

And surpass the core Fighter because you have those sorcerers options.

Why do Martials exist again? Just play fighter till you can get over the hump that is early game and Archetype into the Wizard you were meant to be.

This is what many people fear, and might end up being the case if martials are not given powerful options of their own, on par with appropriate level spells, to make the trade off something other than a no-brainer.

I heard that Rogues get the ability to turn invisible non-magically at twentieth level. If fighters are accomplishing similar nonsense, I imagine it'll be fine.

Edit: Nor will Mr. Fight-Wizard get the highest two levels of spells, so a pure wizard has major advantages on him.

I think the fear isn't a comparison of Figher-Wizard vs Wizard, but rather Fighter vs Fighter-Wizard. The Fighter gives up 4 feats to gain access to 8th level spells. It can be hard to imagine what the contents of 4 feats could be that are suitably powerful to compete with that.

Personally, I'm holding out until we actually get more solid information on this than a couple of offhand comments and a reddit post, but I can certainly see how this could go horribly, horribly wrong.

Oh. I'm sorry. I thought we could do that. I must have missed the fine print on those classes that say "You are legally not allowed to do this". I'm sorry.

I haven't been keeping up with all the info, so HOW do you get your level 8 casting? I would assume being a certain level of Sorcerer. Unless it only takes a dip and then we're back to the problem we have of things being too front loaded hmmmmm? So cool, you get the same proficiency at the same level as a normal fighter...., err. What level is your Fighter? I mean you had to put levels into Sorcerer right to get that spell casting level 8 right?

Also, if you aren't falling behind anywhere; so this means you are taking penalties to playing 1 class?

The new multiclass system is essentially just archetype feats for a given class. So you can never be Fight X/Sorcerer Y, you will always be Fighter (X+Y) but you have spent feats at certain levels on the Sorcerer archetype.

As for falling behind, the key thing is that you don't fall behind on the core combat capabilities of your class. In 1e taking a level in Sorcerer meant you were always a step behind in terms of pure mathematical power from a non-multi-classing Fighter (because of stuff like BAB). The new multiclass system seems to avoid this by trading versatility (instead of power) for versatility. You will be less broad as a fighter, with fewer fighter options, but you make up for that with new sorcerer options.