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The very hard modifier mentioned by the ritual casting rules seems more specific here, so 27 would be the typical primary DC.

Your GM may allow you to look for things like convergences of ley lines or celestial events like a new moon to make the ritual easier, in line with the rest of the rules on ritual checks.

Ritual Checks wrote:

The GM can adjust the DCs of rituals, add or change primary or secondary checks, or even waive requirements to fit specific circumstances. For example, performing a ritual in a location where ley lines converge on the night of a new moon might make a normally difficult ritual drastically easier.

I've personally reduced the DC for reincarnate rituals if the caster was very emotionally close to the deceased, as well as once negating the cost by having a deific patron (the great old one Bokrug) with influence in the area offer some power in exchange for a favor later.

The primary thing that disturbs me is the "usually", in my opinion pointing at a variable adjustment here. Wich would be in line with the uncommon = hard adjustment and rare = very hard adjustment.

@your "personal take" i would have to argue with 5-6 DM's individually wich would also set a precedent in our community. So i would cause a lot of discussions.

Hey fellow Pathfinders,

My Party wants to reincarnate my poor char. We want to be as RAW as possible (inofficial community).

The DC for the Ritual would be Base 22 (Ritual Level x2 = 6 on the basic difficulty table on page 503crb)

But then there is the increase in difficulty due to being a ritual:

"Primary checks usually have a very hard DC for a level that’s twice the ritual’s spell level. "

compared to the adjusted DC's (also Page 503 crb):

Hard +2 for Uncommon

Very hard +5 for Rare

For me that would mean that the Primary Caster would have a DC of 24. Since the Ritual Reincarnate is only UNCOMMON (not rare). https://2e.aonprd.com/Rituals.aspx?ID=35

But after digging through the web like a maniac to find the rules for this people claim it would be 27 (so 22 + 5 for very hard) because of the "casting rituals" part. Even though there is a "usually" integrated. Wich points to me that the intend is, that uncommon rituals get the hard and rare rituals the very hard increase.

That would also align pretty well with the capabilitys of my party, wich would set the primary caster at least at a 50% chance to succeed, instead of 35%.

Tyvm for your time!

Syra2305 wrote:

Please, is there by now a errata/clarification on this?

Nothing yet.

My understanding is that there is a second printing of the APG that has gotten held up in shipping delays. The Errata is being held off on being published until the physical copies of the second printing are available too.

Tyvm!

The two interpretations are:

A = Acrobatics Check
B = Performance Check

Option 1:

A DOES NOT EQUAL B, but you can use A instead of B

Option 2:

A DOES EQUAL B and thus using A is the same as using B.

I think the wording is ambiguous and confuses RAW. I can see why people see it either way. But I'd be surprised if they added this feat to the APG with battle dancer and RAI isn't option 2. I could be wrong, but definitely changes whether I'd ever use the battle dancer.

Please, is there by now a errata/clarification on this?

It would go a long way for a lot of people out there if it was officialy stated that you can use the feat for a battle dancers panache. Otherwise Imho the acrobatic performer feat would be really useless.

BTW. Great work so far by Red Griffyn to collect so many rule-questions! <3